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Windows 2022 Servers Unexpectedly Upgrading to 2025
- kencausey 2y agoAn offer to update to Server 2025 is showing up in Windows Update for a Server 2019 system to which I have access but it is not auto-installing.
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- hulitu 2y ago> but it is not auto-installing. for now. /s
- orionblastar 2y agoThis seems to be used by Microsoft like the Windows 7 and 8.1 to Windows 10 upgrades.
- Mountain_Skies 2y agoSure, for home versions but updating a server version without explicit direction to do so is really bad for business.
- grujicd 2y agoIn this case, based on comments there, new server is not licensed anymore and not activated after the upgrade. Making this problem much worse, as options are either purchasing new licenses or reinstalling everything. Edit: it's not clear to me how much responsibility lies with 3rd party update management tool and how much with Microsoft. This update doesn't seem to automatically run by itself, but it might be misclassified so that these tools think it's a security update and just deploy like any other patch.
- orionblastar 2y agoSome of the Windows 10 upgrades were unlicensed and not activated, too. They worked for 30 days or so, then asked for activation and a serial key. Some worked longer than that and then deactivated themselves. It was chaos for the end users, but Microsoft spent money on buying new serial keys and licenses.
- hulitu 2y agoFor your business. Not for Microsoft's
- drooopy 2y agoIt gives me chills thinking of production servers being magically upgraded to a new and untested version of Windows.
- blibble 2y agobut it's the most stable and secure version of Windows yet
- ASalazarMX 2y agoI have the most stable and secure version of Windows in my personal laptop, perfectly safe sleeping in its partition until I boot it every few months to install updates.
- orionblastar 2y agoI remember Windows NT 3.1 getting government clearance ratings when it was not on any network. Maybe it was NT 4.0?
- more_corn 2y agoIt gives me chills thinking of production servers running windows.
- jeroenhd 2y agoLooks like this is an issue with a a third party update client being confused by a potential misclassification in Microsoft's side about the update (security update vs upgrade). What I'm most surprised by myself is that there doesn't seem to be an option to revert this according to the comments. I'm pretty sure consumer Windows allows downgrades for upgrades installed in this manner, I can't imagine the pain it'd be to need to manually undo all the damage after an unintended upgrade using automated tooling!
- tallanvor 2y agoI agree that this looks like a 3rd party issue. They claimed that KB5044284 was the update, but others have noted that after installing that update, they had the option to upgrade to 2025 but it didn't happen automatically - seems the 3rd party RMM somehow pushed a command to start the upgrade. Honestly, I guess since it's an SMB it might make sense that they aren't able to test all patches before applying them in production, but you'd hope they'd delay the installation for a few days to let others catch major issues.
- graemep 2y agoWhat do third party update clients do? Why are they used? Why are they even able to upgrade the OS version? Not a Windows version and unfamiliar with how it works.
- worewood 2y agoProbably the third-party solution offers functionality not available from Microsoft, for example integrating with other management software they may have, enabling automated blue-green scheme for applying updates, so they can accurately measure the impact of updates for example.
- thro1 2y ago> Microsoft appear to class this as a "Security Update", >> as the GUID for the Windows Server 2025 upgrade does not match the usual entries for KB5044284 associated with Windows 11. This appears to be an error on Microsoft's side Shall Microsoft now provide the missing license ?
- gary_0 2y agoNobody ever got fired for running a Linux server...
- taskforcegemini 2y agonot the phrase I'd use to make that argument
- doublerabbit 2y agoI accidentally deleted /etc/ thanks to a syntax error in my script and got fired. I hated the boss of DevOps team and they hated me. Greatest thing to ever happen to me.
- ASalazarMX 2y agoRoot comment still stands up, unless you were the one running the Linux server.
- doublerabbit 2y agoI was. My install, my setup. Linux Engineer was my job. We are talking about 15-20 developers all using pirated Windows 10 for workstations.
- 6510 2y agoI've always wondered what etc refers to.
- homebrewer 2y agoNothing, it's literally "et cetera" https://serverfault.com/questions/471161/history-of-the-etc-directory https://serverfault.com/questions/471161/history-of-the-etc-...
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- dijit 2y agowell thats terrifying. It would be a good horror story for halloween, but that was last week…
- drw85 2y agoThis once again highlights how bad the ecosystem with 3rd party tools used for basic system maintenance in the MS environment is. And how much companies and admins rely/depend on those. I don't really understand why there are so many commercial third party tools being used to do basic things. But they cost a good amount of money and cause a lot of problems.
- zuhsetaqi 2y agoIn this case at least it was Microsofts fault
- thrw42A8N 2y agoNo, it wasn't. This failure happened at the side of the user - their central policy configuration or so. Microsoft pushed the update correctly.
- Brian_K_White 2y agoIt sounds like the 3rd party tool did what MS told it to do.
- thrw42A8N 2y agoNope, my servers are just fine.
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- superb_dev 2y agoDid we read the same article? Microsoft labeled an update as "security updates" when it was in fact an upgrade to Windows Server 2025
- lostmsu 2y agoDid they say they wouldn't? In the absence of Heimdall 2022 Server doesn't install it along with other security updates.
- Habgdnv 2y ago<sarcasm> A similar thing happened to me last month. My Ubuntu server suddenly started showing a countdown, warning that my firewall was blocking Canonical's ‘essential data’ pings and threatened to revoke my apt privileges. I gave it a pass-through, but the next day, it upgraded itself to Ubuntu Galactic Cosmic and replaced all my bash scripts with PowerShell. Still getting used to the mandatory Snap packages for 'ls' and 'cat' now… </sarcasm>
- 6510 2y agoHave you tried switching it off and leaving it off?
- Brian_K_White 2y agoOff button is an Enterprise option now.
- Titan2189 2y agoSubscription
- lousken 2y agothank god i moved my entire company to debian last year it's enough to deal with w11 on its own
- m463 2y agoI wouldn't be surprised if it "upgraded" all your data into azure and disabled local admin...
- jaimsam 2y agoYet another thing that does not exist in a sane OS. Oh, if only Bill Gates hadn't done his dirty deeds.