> With the introduction of non-technical Product Managers it became even harder. Now we have to convince two layers of people that some idea is unsafe or that i

> With the introduction of non-technical Product Managers it became even harder. Now we have to convince two layers of people that some idea is unsafe or that it's gonna be more trouble than it's worth. It speaks again to the lack of rigor in software. In professional engineering practice, the project manager is always a P.E. who takes responsibility for the final design and signs off on the product before it goes out the door.