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> I don't know why people are keep down voting every comment that is trying to ask what does this number include. Is it the number of work-related accidents for

> I don't know why people are keep down voting every comment that is trying to ask what does this number include. Is it the number of work-related accidents for workers in these projects? Or does it contain every death of the workforce and how much is the workforce? Is it 100k foriegn workers or 1M or more? Doew this include deaths of worker families or just workers? The death rate is so high that there is basically no acceptable reason why it would be that way. Even if deaths are not on-the-job, the living conditions, pay, healthcare etc are controlled by the project anyway so the blame is the same. Given this all the minutiae would probably only bring the "reasonable to blame the Saudi" death toll down to, say, an equally shocking 20500. So it does look like bringing up minutiae is really just a distraction. Now if there was some reason to suggest the 21000 was fabricated or off by enormous margins, sure, that would be worth discussing. But nobody has brought up something like that.

elashri 2y ago
The problem is that you are saying death rate is so high but neither you or the article gave a rate. The number 21000 is not a rate and even if we forget about denominator. We still don't know how this number is constructed (might be lower or higher). What does the count process and how the data is collected. And as I asked before does this count family members or not (happened with many reports regarding world cup in qatar) Now to construct rate you will need to say even if this number is correct (which we don't know) against what denominator especially if people want to compare it against death rate in different countries like some people did with US. The report here raises many real questions that people would need to think about. I don't defend Saudi Arabia and I hate their working system for obvious reasons.

elashri 2y ago

The problem is that you are saying death rate is so high but neither you or the article gave a rate. The number 21000 is not a rate and even if we forget about denominator. We still don't know how this number is constructed (might be lower or higher). What does the count process and how the data is collected. And as I asked before does this count family members or not (happened with many reports regarding world cup in qatar) Now to construct rate you will need to say even if this number is correct (which we don't know) against what denominator especially if people want to compare it against death rate in different countries like some people did with US. The report here raises many real questions that people would need to think about. I don't defend Saudi Arabia and I hate their working system for obvious reasons.