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In one major move, 37signals shuts down: 1. Backpack, 2. Tada list, 3. Writeboard (and no longer offers a free version of Basecamp). The announcements can

by alberth 14y ago

In one major move, 37signals shuts down: 1. Backpack, 2. Tada list, 3. Writeboard (and no longer offers a free version of Basecamp). The announcements can be found here: - http://37signals.com/tadalist-retired http://37signals.com/tadalist-retired - http://37signals.com/writeboard-retired http://37signals.com/writeboard-retired - backpackit.com 37signals now ONLY offers products that you must buy. No more freemium sales model. As well as they are leaving thousands of Legacy Basecamp customers stranded who don't want to migrate to the new Basecamp product.

Smudge 14y ago
Tadalist and Writeboard both say: `But don’t worry — any [x] you already created here at [y].com will continue to work` Which is nice. Of the above, the only thing I might take issue with is the stranding of legacy Basecamp customers. Why don't they want to migrate? What can 37signals do for them? Answering these questions is important, and if they are already working on this then I see no problems.
- geekfactor 14y ago
  Fried discusses some of these issues in a recent mixergy interview: http://mixergy.com/basecamp-build-products-that-people-love-with-jason-fried/ http://mixergy.com/basecamp-build-products-that-people-love-...
- damncabbage 14y ago
  Why don't they want to migrate? In our case, it's the price hike ($29 -> $50). We're a not-for-profit and have a tough time paying for this stuff; we need to stick with Basecamp "Classic" for the time being.
  - xutopia 14y ago
    I thought they had a free plan for non-profits... you should ask them.
    - damncabbage 14y ago
      http://help.37signals.com/basecamp/questions/156-do-you-have-special-pricing-for-non-profits-universities-or-other-groups-in-need http://help.37signals.com/basecamp/questions/156-do-you-have... http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2580-why-non-profit-pricing http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2580-why-non-profit-pricing Nope. (We're not helping hurricane victims or the like, more a club that only just breaks even running an event once a year.)
amerine 14y ago
Nearly everything you said here is false. They have disabled new signups for Tada list and writeboard. Disabled creating standalone writeboards and new lists... Backpack isn't listed on their site anymore, but seems to work perfectly for me. Though, I'm not sure how useful it is now that most of the functionality seems to exist in Basecamp in some fashion. I also have plenty "Legacy" Basecamp projects and am not being "stranded", they work fine. Please elaborate.
pbreit 14y ago
Basecamp and Highrise both have free tiers so 2 of its 3 services are freemium.
- maguay 14y ago
  Actually, the new Basecamp doesn't have a free tier now. Cheapest is $20/month. But, for teams I manage, we've found Basecamp was actually cheaper than the competition because every tier has unlimited users. That alone makes it cheaper than competing apps that charge per user.
  - pbreit 14y ago
    My bad...I mistook the "setup a free project".
brandoncapecci 14y ago
I don't think you understand what freemium means. I have some reluctance to believe this but, as the stories go, it's akin to a drug dealer giving a free hit to "see that the product is worth paying for". It is not perpetually providing you free bongs. Clear?

by alberth 14y ago

Smudge 14y ago

Tadalist and Writeboard both say: `But don’t worry — any [x] you already created here at [y].com will continue to work` Which is nice. Of the above, the only thing I might take issue with is the stranding of legacy Basecamp customers. Why don't they want to migrate? What can 37signals do for them? Answering these questions is important, and if they are already working on this then I see no problems.

geekfactor 14y ago
Fried discusses some of these issues in a recent mixergy interview: http://mixergy.com/basecamp-build-products-that-people-love-with-jason-fried/ http://mixergy.com/basecamp-build-products-that-people-love-...
damncabbage 14y ago
Why don't they want to migrate? In our case, it's the price hike ($29 -> $50). We're a not-for-profit and have a tough time paying for this stuff; we need to stick with Basecamp "Classic" for the time being.
- xutopia 14y ago
  I thought they had a free plan for non-profits... you should ask them.
  - damncabbage 14y ago
    http://help.37signals.com/basecamp/questions/156-do-you-have-special-pricing-for-non-profits-universities-or-other-groups-in-need http://help.37signals.com/basecamp/questions/156-do-you-have... http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2580-why-non-profit-pricing http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2580-why-non-profit-pricing Nope. (We're not helping hurricane victims or the like, more a club that only just breaks even running an event once a year.)

amerine 14y ago

Nearly everything you said here is false. They have disabled new signups for Tada list and writeboard. Disabled creating standalone writeboards and new lists... Backpack isn't listed on their site anymore, but seems to work perfectly for me. Though, I'm not sure how useful it is now that most of the functionality seems to exist in Basecamp in some fashion. I also have plenty "Legacy" Basecamp projects and am not being "stranded", they work fine. Please elaborate.

pbreit 14y ago

Basecamp and Highrise both have free tiers so 2 of its 3 services are freemium.

maguay 14y ago
Actually, the new Basecamp doesn't have a free tier now. Cheapest is $20/month. But, for teams I manage, we've found Basecamp was actually cheaper than the competition because every tier has unlimited users. That alone makes it cheaper than competing apps that charge per user.
- pbreit 14y ago
  My bad...I mistook the "setup a free project".

brandoncapecci 14y ago

I don't think you understand what freemium means. I have some reluctance to believe this but, as the stories go, it's akin to a drug dealer giving a free hit to "see that the product is worth paying for". It is not perpetually providing you free bongs. Clear?