This situation sounds painfully familiar. Ultimately it comes down to whether or not you can find someone with enough influence that will support you. A few ti

This situation sounds painfully familiar. Ultimately it comes down to whether or not you can find someone with enough influence that will support you. A few tips: 1) Build demos and/or sneak in good code when you can. There will always be a subset of people that can appreciate good code once they see it working, increase your chances of finding those people and converting them to the cause. 2) Do not overwhelm them (them being veteran developers and management). You will scare them if you talk about starting from scatch or major overhauls. This is a battle of incremental changes, technically and culturally. 3) Don't burn yourself out. Its a daunting and draining task implementing the kinds of changes you're talking about in an organzation that doesn't want or appreciate it. If you can't find the right support, its ok to give up. If you do give up keep in mind that YOU didn't fail, you're just not in the right position or in the right organization to make it happen.