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It’s always interesting to see which tremendous amount of talent, knowledge and passion is wasted for a hack like this. I can understand that the constant adren

by Ringz 2y ago

It’s always interesting to see which tremendous amount of talent, knowledge and passion is wasted for a hack like this. I can understand that the constant adrenaline and intrinsic satisfaction plus elevated self esteem and confidence must be addictive. It’s depressing that we can’t establish that in a healthy way in a „normal“ job environment. I think money is not the main driver for those people.

hipadev23 2y ago
Yeah. It’s difficult for true hackers to get a job because they tend to be wildly more competent than their peers and their superiors, they implicitly have a low tolerance for performative bullshit meetings and jira tickets, and they often lack the expected educational and professional credentials that hiring folks look at. If someone wants to hire them, offer actual worthwhile bug bounties ($100k to $1M) on hard problems. And then try and hire those people after you pay the bounty.
akira2501 2y ago
> I think money is not the main driver for those people. I think you're forgetting the risk involved. To me, of course, it's the money because there are plenty of ways to get the satisfaction you're describing. It may not even be a crass need for money but people who live in poorer areas of the world taking a job and earning a cut as possibly the only worthwhile means of using their talent. > amount of talent, knowledge and passion is wasted for a hack like this. It's not as if worthwhile outlets for talent are easy to come by. It could be easier. The world we live in does not prioritize this outcome.
alibarber 2y ago
It's possible that if they are working for a nation state (sanctioned and likely cut off from what might be considered normal trade) which might have the high level goal of: CC dumps -> Marketplace -> Crypto -> Money That this was just another day in the office for the team.

by Ringz 2y ago

hipadev23 2y ago

Yeah. It’s difficult for true hackers to get a job because they tend to be wildly more competent than their peers and their superiors, they implicitly have a low tolerance for performative bullshit meetings and jira tickets, and they often lack the expected educational and professional credentials that hiring folks look at. If someone wants to hire them, offer actual worthwhile bug bounties ($100k to $1M) on hard problems. And then try and hire those people after you pay the bounty.

akira2501 2y ago

> I think money is not the main driver for those people. I think you're forgetting the risk involved. To me, of course, it's the money because there are plenty of ways to get the satisfaction you're describing. It may not even be a crass need for money but people who live in poorer areas of the world taking a job and earning a cut as possibly the only worthwhile means of using their talent. > amount of talent, knowledge and passion is wasted for a hack like this. It's not as if worthwhile outlets for talent are easy to come by. It could be easier. The world we live in does not prioritize this outcome.

alibarber 2y ago

It's possible that if they are working for a nation state (sanctioned and likely cut off from what might be considered normal trade) which might have the high level goal of: CC dumps -> Marketplace -> Crypto -> Money That this was just another day in the office for the team.