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Iran and North Korea have no problems sending troops to participate directly in hostilities against Ukraine but, there is no will in the EU or USA to send troop

Iran and North Korea have no problems sending troops to participate directly in hostilities against Ukraine but, there is no will in the EU or USA to send troops to Ukraine to help in logistics, air defense, and possibly training. The EU won't even shoot down Russian drones and missiles that stray/fly over NATO Territory on their way to Ukraine. What is the West thinking, this behavior seriously undermines their relevancy on the world stage.

naveen99 2y ago
Iran doesn’t even send troops to lebonon. Turtles (err proxies) all the way.
riehwvfbk 2y ago
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- skhunted 2y ago
  There are no NATO troops fighting in Ukraine.
  - riehwvfbk 2y ago
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    - skhunted 2y ago
      Can you point to evidence that NATO troops are fighting in Ukraine?
    - riehwvfbk 2y ago
      Thread depth exceeded, so here goes: https://maps.app.goo.gl/VKHPsKJwiuJSBLb77 https://maps.app.goo.gl/VKHPsKJwiuJSBLb77 Who is writing these reviews?
      - skhunted 2y ago
        Russian bots? How do you know those are NATO troops?
        riehwvfbk 2y ago
        Those bots are getting better and better at English. What about these guys? Also bots? https://www.instagram.com/p/C-tkrT2MEry/ https://www.instagram.com/p/C-tkrT2MEry/
        skhunted 2y ago
        Yes, bots are doing at languages. In the U.S. it’s common for college level courses to have students use AI to generate papers. English is one of the most widely spoken languages. Your Instagram link doesn’t demonstrate anything. There is no reason to believe those are pictures of NATO troops.
talldayo 2y ago
Russia has things North Korea and Iran want. They are willing to send troops into a senseless conflict because they have everything to gain from it in the form of nuclear/ICBM technology and Soviet-era materiel. The United States stands to lose a lot more by formally entering this conflict. NATO is still in effect, but given that Ukraine isn't yet a member there is no incentive to deploy NATO forces in Ukraine. It remains a wiser use of everyone's resources to use NATO training resources and inventories before we reach the point where boots-on-the-ground deployment is even an option.
- skhunted 2y ago
  The United States stands to lose a lot more by formally entering this conflict. I don’t believe this is correct. If Europe and the U.S. won’t defend Ukraine then what makes people think they’ll defend Taiwan? The U.S. is showing that it is not a reliable guarantor of security. Europe looks helpless and weak. Suppose tomorrow it was announced that China has brokered a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia and that they will send peacekeepers to ensure compliance. Imagine the shitshow that would follow. As the war drags on and as Ukraine’s ability to fight wanes such a scenario becomes more likely.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    > Suppose tomorrow it was announced that China has brokered a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia and that they will send peacekeepers to ensure compliance. I literally do not think China has the international clout to make that happen. China is deep in kahoots with Russia, and any deal brokered by them is no more likely to hold than the previous treaties. Ukraine's ultimate goal is to have the same security that other NATO countries enjoy, and that's not something China has the authority to offer them in the first place. The US isn't involved in Ukraine like they are in Taiwan. If Ukraine becomes occupied territory, it will be a tragedy but the United States will be okay. If Taiwan is occupied, the entire concept of American economic leadership will be inherently jeopardized and free trade in the Taiwan Strait will probably cease. This would also offer a deeply threatening staging location for attacks on other allies a-la Japan and Australia, whereas the territory of Ukraine is arguably less strategically valuable than Crimea or Georgia, let alone Taiwan. I guess only time will tell.
skhunted 2y ago
This has been the biggest disappointment of the Biden administration. The U.S. policy in this war has been to give Ukraine just enough weapons to keep the war going. It’s pathetic.
jfengel 2y ago
It is widely thought that if NATO countries enter the conflict directly, the war will escalate. That may or may not be correct, but it's not totally unreasonable. Ukraine has proven to be resilient enough to conduct the war competently with just its own forces. It all kinda goes out the window now. There's a very good chance that the US will pull all of its support in January. I suppose it's vaguely possible that the US might choose this window to throw caution to the wind and try end the war before that.

naveen99 2y ago

Iran doesn’t even send troops to lebonon. Turtles (err proxies) all the way.

riehwvfbk 2y ago

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skhunted 2y ago
There are no NATO troops fighting in Ukraine.
- riehwvfbk 2y ago
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  - skhunted 2y ago
    Can you point to evidence that NATO troops are fighting in Ukraine?
  - riehwvfbk 2y ago
    Thread depth exceeded, so here goes: https://maps.app.goo.gl/VKHPsKJwiuJSBLb77 https://maps.app.goo.gl/VKHPsKJwiuJSBLb77 Who is writing these reviews?
    - skhunted 2y ago
      Russian bots? How do you know those are NATO troops?
      - riehwvfbk 2y ago
        Those bots are getting better and better at English. What about these guys? Also bots? https://www.instagram.com/p/C-tkrT2MEry/ https://www.instagram.com/p/C-tkrT2MEry/
        skhunted 2y ago
        Yes, bots are doing at languages. In the U.S. it’s common for college level courses to have students use AI to generate papers. English is one of the most widely spoken languages. Your Instagram link doesn’t demonstrate anything. There is no reason to believe those are pictures of NATO troops.

talldayo 2y ago

Russia has things North Korea and Iran want. They are willing to send troops into a senseless conflict because they have everything to gain from it in the form of nuclear/ICBM technology and Soviet-era materiel. The United States stands to lose a lot more by formally entering this conflict. NATO is still in effect, but given that Ukraine isn't yet a member there is no incentive to deploy NATO forces in Ukraine. It remains a wiser use of everyone's resources to use NATO training resources and inventories before we reach the point where boots-on-the-ground deployment is even an option.

skhunted 2y ago
The United States stands to lose a lot more by formally entering this conflict. I don’t believe this is correct. If Europe and the U.S. won’t defend Ukraine then what makes people think they’ll defend Taiwan? The U.S. is showing that it is not a reliable guarantor of security. Europe looks helpless and weak. Suppose tomorrow it was announced that China has brokered a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia and that they will send peacekeepers to ensure compliance. Imagine the shitshow that would follow. As the war drags on and as Ukraine’s ability to fight wanes such a scenario becomes more likely.
- talldayo 2y ago
  > Suppose tomorrow it was announced that China has brokered a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia and that they will send peacekeepers to ensure compliance. I literally do not think China has the international clout to make that happen. China is deep in kahoots with Russia, and any deal brokered by them is no more likely to hold than the previous treaties. Ukraine's ultimate goal is to have the same security that other NATO countries enjoy, and that's not something China has the authority to offer them in the first place. The US isn't involved in Ukraine like they are in Taiwan. If Ukraine becomes occupied territory, it will be a tragedy but the United States will be okay. If Taiwan is occupied, the entire concept of American economic leadership will be inherently jeopardized and free trade in the Taiwan Strait will probably cease. This would also offer a deeply threatening staging location for attacks on other allies a-la Japan and Australia, whereas the territory of Ukraine is arguably less strategically valuable than Crimea or Georgia, let alone Taiwan. I guess only time will tell.

skhunted 2y ago

This has been the biggest disappointment of the Biden administration. The U.S. policy in this war has been to give Ukraine just enough weapons to keep the war going. It’s pathetic.

jfengel 2y ago

It is widely thought that if NATO countries enter the conflict directly, the war will escalate. That may or may not be correct, but it's not totally unreasonable. Ukraine has proven to be resilient enough to conduct the war competently with just its own forces. It all kinda goes out the window now. There's a very good chance that the US will pull all of its support in January. I suppose it's vaguely possible that the US might choose this window to throw caution to the wind and try end the war before that.