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> It's a problem because there's no precedent for RTO. But, things like changing an employee's work location, hours among other things is constructive dismissal

> It's a problem because there's no precedent for RTO. But, things like changing an employee's work location, hours among other things is constructive dismissal. RTO, after years of hiring remote only positions, IS changing an employee's work location. Grindr employees worked from home 5 days a week, across the US. Then the RTO would make engineers move to Chicago and go into an office 2 times a week. In what world is this RTO not changing employee's work location?

thrw42A8N 2y ago
In the world where they only hired people who told them they live and work in Chicago. Not saying that's what happened here, but it'd really not be their fault if people took advantage of a situation and moved away or lied during an interview/on the contract. Are you sure they don't have Chicago as the contractual place of work? In Europe that's standard if you work remotely - exactly because of this.
- consteval 2y ago
  I generally think this "playing dumb" argument companies sometimes employ doesn't fly (or, at least, shouldn't). You don't have to be a genius to figure out that hiring fully remote means you will get workers all over the US. The executives knew that, were counting on that, and have benefited a lot from that. I don't think you should be able to get away with an "erm, akshually" level technicality.
  - SoftTalker 2y ago
    The executives knew, and the employees knew. I think there's little doubt of that. Then the executives changed their mind. That happens, and as an employee you either accept it or you move on. Or try to negotiate an exception. But you don't really have any kind of legal claim for damages.
    - consteval 2y ago
      We will see if they have a legal claim for damages. Contrary to popular American beliefs, companies don't have free range to do whatever they want. You can't orchestrate a lay-off and weasel around it. If that is in fact what happened, they could face punitive action - certainly other companies have in the past.

thrw42A8N 2y ago

In the world where they only hired people who told them they live and work in Chicago. Not saying that's what happened here, but it'd really not be their fault if people took advantage of a situation and moved away or lied during an interview/on the contract. Are you sure they don't have Chicago as the contractual place of work? In Europe that's standard if you work remotely - exactly because of this.

consteval 2y ago
I generally think this "playing dumb" argument companies sometimes employ doesn't fly (or, at least, shouldn't). You don't have to be a genius to figure out that hiring fully remote means you will get workers all over the US. The executives knew that, were counting on that, and have benefited a lot from that. I don't think you should be able to get away with an "erm, akshually" level technicality.
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  The executives knew, and the employees knew. I think there's little doubt of that. Then the executives changed their mind. That happens, and as an employee you either accept it or you move on. Or try to negotiate an exception. But you don't really have any kind of legal claim for damages.
  - consteval 2y ago
    We will see if they have a legal claim for damages. Contrary to popular American beliefs, companies don't have free range to do whatever they want. You can't orchestrate a lay-off and weasel around it. If that is in fact what happened, they could face punitive action - certainly other companies have in the past.