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For reference, here's a current job opening for NYT's tech org for a senior software developer: https://boards.greenhouse.io/thenewyorktimes/jobs/4472655005 htt

by jjcm 2y ago

For reference, here's a current job opening for NYT's tech org for a senior software developer: https://boards.greenhouse.io/thenewyorktimes/jobs/4472655005 https://boards.greenhouse.io/thenewyorktimes/jobs/4472655005 Salary is 140-155k USD. For reference, here's levels.fyi's breakdown of the New York city area: https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/new-york-city-area https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/new-yor... Median total comp is 185k. It seems like their total comp for NYT is slightly above the mark based on reported salaries: https://www.levels.fyi/companies/the-new-york-times-company/salaries/software-engineer?country=254 https://www.levels.fyi/companies/the-new-york-times-company/...

ppeetteerr 2y ago
Thank you for surfacing this. A senior role in NYC for 155K (plus bonus, which they do offer) is nothing when you factor in the cost of living.
- simplyluke 2y ago
  Read both links. 155 is just salary, TC seems to be on the order of $200k for a senior, which is above-median but not top of market for NYC.
Aurornis 2y ago
The article (which is paywalled) says average compensation is $190,000. They also have 600 technologists on staff, which is massively higher than comparable news organizations. I think this is the real elephant in the room: They're hiring (and therefore spending) at a rate that already far outstrips comparable news organizations.
- dml2135 2y ago
  What news organizations truly compare to the NYT tech game though? As far as I can tell, they are at the top.
  - anon84873628 2y ago
    Comparing to other "news organizations" might not make sense if we're including Wirecutter and the games division (e.g. Wordle) on the NYT side. They should be compared to other types of media orgs. Not that NYT hasn't done some interesting innovative technical stuff within their journalism.
    - davidclark 2y ago
      Wordle was famously made and run by one person. How many are needed to keep it running now?
      - laweijfmvo 2y ago
        needs at least a team to remove whatever 5-letter word becomes offensive next year!
gitfan86 2y ago
The concerns are not around excessive pay but future demands related to seniority. 170k sounds reasonable today, but when you add in a yearly 5% pay raise AND inflation adjustments AND overtime and sick time and retirement contributions it adds up to be a lot. For example there was a cop in Massachusetts who had "retired" twice and was getting 280k/year due to the way the union rules were set up.
wormlord 2y ago
In NYC?? Amazon entry level devs in LCOL areas were making that much in base alone in 2021.
- sp527 2y ago
  Try redoing your comparison in units of stress per dollar
  - wormlord 2y ago
    My simplified equation for stress is: ``` (workload) * (giving a shit) ``` Workload is set by company, giving a shit is set by you. You may not last long, but nothing is stopping you from letting those Jira tickets pile up. It's especially a promising strat if layoffs are market-based instead of performance-based. Of course I imagine most engineers enjoy feeling productive, and wasting everyone's time does take a psychological toll.

by jjcm 2y ago

ppeetteerr 2y ago

Thank you for surfacing this. A senior role in NYC for 155K (plus bonus, which they do offer) is nothing when you factor in the cost of living.

simplyluke 2y ago
Read both links. 155 is just salary, TC seems to be on the order of $200k for a senior, which is above-median but not top of market for NYC.

Aurornis 2y ago

The article (which is paywalled) says average compensation is $190,000. They also have 600 technologists on staff, which is massively higher than comparable news organizations. I think this is the real elephant in the room: They're hiring (and therefore spending) at a rate that already far outstrips comparable news organizations.

dml2135 2y ago
What news organizations truly compare to the NYT tech game though? As far as I can tell, they are at the top.
- anon84873628 2y ago
  Comparing to other "news organizations" might not make sense if we're including Wirecutter and the games division (e.g. Wordle) on the NYT side. They should be compared to other types of media orgs. Not that NYT hasn't done some interesting innovative technical stuff within their journalism.
  - davidclark 2y ago
    Wordle was famously made and run by one person. How many are needed to keep it running now?
    - laweijfmvo 2y ago
      needs at least a team to remove whatever 5-letter word becomes offensive next year!

gitfan86 2y ago

The concerns are not around excessive pay but future demands related to seniority. 170k sounds reasonable today, but when you add in a yearly 5% pay raise AND inflation adjustments AND overtime and sick time and retirement contributions it adds up to be a lot. For example there was a cop in Massachusetts who had "retired" twice and was getting 280k/year due to the way the union rules were set up.

wormlord 2y ago

In NYC?? Amazon entry level devs in LCOL areas were making that much in base alone in 2021.

sp527 2y ago
Try redoing your comparison in units of stress per dollar
- wormlord 2y ago
  My simplified equation for stress is: ``` (workload) * (giving a shit) ``` Workload is set by company, giving a shit is set by you. You may not last long, but nothing is stopping you from letting those Jira tickets pile up. It's especially a promising strat if layoffs are market-based instead of performance-based. Of course I imagine most engineers enjoy feeling productive, and wasting everyone's time does take a psychological toll.