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I want to believe you, but my hunch is your reply is similar to someone suggesting "Well, you see, you forgot all the pro liberal coverage that Fox News has bee

I want to believe you, but my hunch is your reply is similar to someone suggesting "Well, you see, you forgot all the pro liberal coverage that Fox News has been doing all year". Does NYT not have a reputation or am I truly out of touch here? I went through some of their podcasts recently and it's all quite one-sided, for example.

drawkward 2y ago
I think the paper is generally lib-left, but not necessarily progressive-left. I also see NPR as pretty centrist reporting.
- rapind 2y ago
  It depends where you're coming from. Some (many now?) see Dick Cheney as a progressive liberal liar, and many on the left see him as a right-wing devil incarnate.
  - TylerE 2y ago
    Who exactly is calling Dick Cheyney a progressive? That’s not the same thing as refusing to endorse Trump, btw.
    - immibis 2y ago
      The Overton window has truly shifted that far right. We're in trouble.
- briandear 2y ago
  NPR and NY Times are almost identically left-biased, with NPR being slightly more so. https://www.allsides.com/news-source/npr-editorial https://www.allsides.com/news-source/npr-editorial https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-times https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-times
  - drawkward 2y ago
    Please look at the confidence score for the npr rating.
metabagel 2y ago
I think it’s a mistake to judge the NYT by their podcasts. I canceled my subscription when they reported on the concessions the UAW had won from automakers mostly in terms of how it might affect the bottom line of the companies, and with little to no mention of the effect on the workers and their families.
hosh 2y ago
I was very disappointed with NYT’s coverage of the 2020 elections, and it has been difficult for me to take their reporting seriously since then. That they had their own workers striking is not a good look, yet unsurprising to me at this point. Just my opinion, I don’t know if this counts as reputation. (NPR was even more disappointing because they positioned themselves as centrist; APM’s Marketplace was closer centrist that than NPR).
SalmonSnarker 2y ago
> am I truly out of touch here? Yes, you are absolutely out of touch. drawkward gave you three incredibly specific examples but you just kept on sticking with your hunch. A paper that is the "epitome of progressivism" probably isn't going to have multiple conservative opinion columnists heavily featured and isn't going to have recurring problems with fawning interviews of white supremacists over barbecue. I suppose if you're any further than center-right, a paper that is narrowly center-left is going to appear to be the "epitome of progressivism", but many years of critique would probably suggest otherwise. politely, i don't think this would be something you'd get tripped up on if you'd paid attention for a few years longer than a singular skim of the podcasts recently.

drawkward 2y ago

I think the paper is generally lib-left, but not necessarily progressive-left. I also see NPR as pretty centrist reporting.

rapind 2y ago
It depends where you're coming from. Some (many now?) see Dick Cheney as a progressive liberal liar, and many on the left see him as a right-wing devil incarnate.
- TylerE 2y ago
  Who exactly is calling Dick Cheyney a progressive? That’s not the same thing as refusing to endorse Trump, btw.
  - immibis 2y ago
    The Overton window has truly shifted that far right. We're in trouble.
briandear 2y ago
NPR and NY Times are almost identically left-biased, with NPR being slightly more so. https://www.allsides.com/news-source/npr-editorial https://www.allsides.com/news-source/npr-editorial https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-times https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-times
- drawkward 2y ago
  Please look at the confidence score for the npr rating.

metabagel 2y ago

I think it’s a mistake to judge the NYT by their podcasts. I canceled my subscription when they reported on the concessions the UAW had won from automakers mostly in terms of how it might affect the bottom line of the companies, and with little to no mention of the effect on the workers and their families.

hosh 2y ago

I was very disappointed with NYT’s coverage of the 2020 elections, and it has been difficult for me to take their reporting seriously since then. That they had their own workers striking is not a good look, yet unsurprising to me at this point. Just my opinion, I don’t know if this counts as reputation. (NPR was even more disappointing because they positioned themselves as centrist; APM’s Marketplace was closer centrist that than NPR).

SalmonSnarker 2y ago

> am I truly out of touch here? Yes, you are absolutely out of touch. drawkward gave you three incredibly specific examples but you just kept on sticking with your hunch. A paper that is the "epitome of progressivism" probably isn't going to have multiple conservative opinion columnists heavily featured and isn't going to have recurring problems with fawning interviews of white supremacists over barbecue. I suppose if you're any further than center-right, a paper that is narrowly center-left is going to appear to be the "epitome of progressivism", but many years of critique would probably suggest otherwise. politely, i don't think this would be something you'd get tripped up on if you'd paid attention for a few years longer than a singular skim of the podcasts recently.