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This is so user-hostile. I do not want a spyware in an OS. All telemetry should be opt-in and voluntary. Also, what would be the use of the telemetry? Find a r

This is so user-hostile. I do not want a spyware in an OS. All telemetry should be opt-in and voluntary. Also, what would be the use of the telemetry? Find a reason to close a bug report with WONTFIX?

_heimdall 2y ago
I agree it should always be opt-in, but there are plenty of reasons this data could help them make Majaro better. Their install process likely gives them data already on things like user hardware, Intel vs AMD for example. Telemetry could help find performance issues though, like if one processor type is always slow to boot or if AMD graphics cards have frame rate issues with certain tasks.
- codedokode 2y ago
  > but there are plenty of reasons this data could help them make Majaro better Then they should ask for a permission first. > Telemetry could help find performance issues though You don't need to have telemetry enabled for everyone, just find volunteers who are interested in contributing data, or make a performance test app and let users submit the report. Also, as I understand, they don't collect framerate in current version.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    I don't disagree, it should be opt-in. > Also, as I understand, they don't collect framerate in current version. That seems reasonable, I haven't used Manjaro for a couple years so I didn't take the time to see exactly what they want to track. That's just an example though, they wouldn't bother collecting the data if there is actually no value to them collecting it. I haven't seen anything about them selling data, so I'd expect the value is in improving the product.
troupo 2y ago
Data collection from users used to drive decisions like UI/UX and product development. Because companies were actually interested in how people were using their products. These days, however, I don't trust any telemetry even from the most trusted companies.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
  You need look no further than your favorite issue tracker. People can be vocally begging for X to be implemented and nothing happens. Why would I think telemetry will change the situation if the PM in charge does not want/care to do it?
jklinger410 2y ago
> The less I know about users of the software I write, the better. This is one of my favorite completely irrational HN takes that is guaranteed to show up in a thread like this.
card_zero 2y ago
Perhaps their partners and sponsors want it.

_heimdall 2y ago

I agree it should always be opt-in, but there are plenty of reasons this data could help them make Majaro better. Their install process likely gives them data already on things like user hardware, Intel vs AMD for example. Telemetry could help find performance issues though, like if one processor type is always slow to boot or if AMD graphics cards have frame rate issues with certain tasks.

codedokode 2y ago
> but there are plenty of reasons this data could help them make Majaro better Then they should ask for a permission first. > Telemetry could help find performance issues though You don't need to have telemetry enabled for everyone, just find volunteers who are interested in contributing data, or make a performance test app and let users submit the report. Also, as I understand, they don't collect framerate in current version.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  I don't disagree, it should be opt-in. > Also, as I understand, they don't collect framerate in current version. That seems reasonable, I haven't used Manjaro for a couple years so I didn't take the time to see exactly what they want to track. That's just an example though, they wouldn't bother collecting the data if there is actually no value to them collecting it. I haven't seen anything about them selling data, so I'd expect the value is in improving the product.

troupo 2y ago

Data collection from users used to drive decisions like UI/UX and product development. Because companies were actually interested in how people were using their products. These days, however, I don't trust any telemetry even from the most trusted companies.

0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
You need look no further than your favorite issue tracker. People can be vocally begging for X to be implemented and nothing happens. Why would I think telemetry will change the situation if the PM in charge does not want/care to do it?

jklinger410 2y ago

> The less I know about users of the software I write, the better. This is one of my favorite completely irrational HN takes that is guaranteed to show up in a thread like this.

card_zero 2y ago

Perhaps their partners and sponsors want it.