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The less I know about users of the software I write, the better. > we need at least some data about how Manjaro is being used by so many people around the worl

The less I know about users of the software I write, the better. > we need at least some data about how Manjaro is being used by so many people around the world in order to show that the project has a future and also to plan for that future. Charitably, this implies they want to plan around things like infrastructure scaling. Why can't they just look at present demands on their infrastructure? (i.e. why bother with a proxy metric when you have the real metrics right there?)

codedokode 2y ago
> we need at least some data about how Manjaro is being used No, you don't. It is my computer, not yours.
- michaelmior 2y ago
  And it's their software, not yours. They are free to require telemetry if they choose to do so. You're also free not to use their software if you don't like it. FWIW, I think it should be opt-in by default, but I think it's reasonable (aside from adhering to necessary privacy laws) for a project to choose the policy they want.
  - ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
    > And it's their software, not yours. Arguably, the point of open source software (or at least GPL licensed software) is that the owner of the hardware gets to "own" the software and can do what they like with it.
    - lsaferite 2y ago
      In that scenario they certainly can. They just have to take the source, modify it to suit their needs, and recompile it. They are 100% within their rights to do that.
lars_francke 2y ago
This can also be useful if you are looking for funding e.g. grants etc. to show how relevant your project is. Just to add a different interepretation: To me this does not imply planning on infrastructure at all.
ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
I would have thought they'd find details on different architectures or specific chips of more interest. Personally, I don't mind allowing telemetry to open source projects, but it should always by opt-in rather than by default.
frankjr 2y ago
> The Manjaro project is backed by Manjaro GmbH & Co. KG, an open source driven company. I'm guessing it's more likely they are looking for investments and need to show some credible numbers.
ranger_danger 2y ago
> The less I know about users of the software I write, the better. Said no successful project ever.
- fransje26 2y ago
  Isn't the Windows release cycle based on slapping a new clunky interface on top of the old one, independently of what users want or say?

codedokode 2y ago

> we need at least some data about how Manjaro is being used No, you don't. It is my computer, not yours.

michaelmior 2y ago
And it's their software, not yours. They are free to require telemetry if they choose to do so. You're also free not to use their software if you don't like it. FWIW, I think it should be opt-in by default, but I think it's reasonable (aside from adhering to necessary privacy laws) for a project to choose the policy they want.
- ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
  > And it's their software, not yours. Arguably, the point of open source software (or at least GPL licensed software) is that the owner of the hardware gets to "own" the software and can do what they like with it.
  - lsaferite 2y ago
    In that scenario they certainly can. They just have to take the source, modify it to suit their needs, and recompile it. They are 100% within their rights to do that.

lars_francke 2y ago

This can also be useful if you are looking for funding e.g. grants etc. to show how relevant your project is. Just to add a different interepretation: To me this does not imply planning on infrastructure at all.

ndsipa_pomu 2y ago

I would have thought they'd find details on different architectures or specific chips of more interest. Personally, I don't mind allowing telemetry to open source projects, but it should always by opt-in rather than by default.

frankjr 2y ago

> The Manjaro project is backed by Manjaro GmbH & Co. KG, an open source driven company. I'm guessing it's more likely they are looking for investments and need to show some credible numbers.

ranger_danger 2y ago

> The less I know about users of the software I write, the better. Said no successful project ever.

fransje26 2y ago
Isn't the Windows release cycle based on slapping a new clunky interface on top of the old one, independently of what users want or say?