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Tech generates more money than the Times. It's the journalists that create the content for the tech end. Without them, there would be no Times tech employees.

piltdownman 2y ago
To reductio ad absurdum, without the advertisers there'd be no journalists. The problem remains that with the advertisers, there cannot be journalism. Little distinguishes much of american mass-media 'journalism' from a ChatGPT precis of a Press Release or Reuters/AP wire. What does is generally in the form of an Op-Ed, and is generally at the behest or bias of a billionaire or their lobbying proxy. In 2024 this has gotten to the point where America's Largest Newspaper chain will not endorse a presidential candidate out of fear. That's 200+ separate publications. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/29/media/usa-today-gannett-newspapers-endorsement-president/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/29/media/usa-today-gannett-n... Both the advertisers and the journalists rely on the Tech Employees as their core dependency for distribution and scaling factor, and are weighted in compensation accordingly. Much as it ever was - the people selling adspace and doing the logistics of distribution always made more than the people writing copy or typesetting.
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  > Little distinguishes much of american mass-media 'journalism' from a ChatGPT precis of a Press Release or Reuters/AP wire. The Reuters/AP wire is journalism.
jkestner 2y ago
They're all in it together. The journalists should strike for everything they want as well!
- dartos 2y ago
  I meeean… if they have the negotiating power then they should.
- shagie 2y ago
  https://www.threads.net/@astor.maggie/post/DB82iPoxKMC https://www.threads.net/@astor.maggie/post/DB82iPoxKMC > Some background: The Tech Guild represents hundreds of software engineers, product designers, data analysts and others who make and run our website, apps, games and publishing systems. It’s a sister to my union, the NYT Guild, which reps the newsroom (and advertising, security & more!). > The NYT Guild contract contains a no-strike clause. That means we in the newsroom are legally forbidden to go on strike with Tech. So we will be supporting them in other ways, some of which you can also do.
loeg 2y ago
Something like half of NYT subscribers are only there for the games (tech side).
wiseowise 2y ago
Without office and cleaners there would be no Times.

piltdownman 2y ago

To reductio ad absurdum, without the advertisers there'd be no journalists. The problem remains that with the advertisers, there cannot be journalism. Little distinguishes much of american mass-media 'journalism' from a ChatGPT precis of a Press Release or Reuters/AP wire. What does is generally in the form of an Op-Ed, and is generally at the behest or bias of a billionaire or their lobbying proxy. In 2024 this has gotten to the point where America's Largest Newspaper chain will not endorse a presidential candidate out of fear. That's 200+ separate publications. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/29/media/usa-today-gannett-newspapers-endorsement-president/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/29/media/usa-today-gannett-n... Both the advertisers and the journalists rely on the Tech Employees as their core dependency for distribution and scaling factor, and are weighted in compensation accordingly. Much as it ever was - the people selling adspace and doing the logistics of distribution always made more than the people writing copy or typesetting.

carlosjobim 2y ago
> Little distinguishes much of american mass-media 'journalism' from a ChatGPT precis of a Press Release or Reuters/AP wire. The Reuters/AP wire is journalism.

jkestner 2y ago

They're all in it together. The journalists should strike for everything they want as well!

dartos 2y ago
I meeean… if they have the negotiating power then they should.
shagie 2y ago
https://www.threads.net/@astor.maggie/post/DB82iPoxKMC https://www.threads.net/@astor.maggie/post/DB82iPoxKMC > Some background: The Tech Guild represents hundreds of software engineers, product designers, data analysts and others who make and run our website, apps, games and publishing systems. It’s a sister to my union, the NYT Guild, which reps the newsroom (and advertising, security & more!). > The NYT Guild contract contains a no-strike clause. That means we in the newsroom are legally forbidden to go on strike with Tech. So we will be supporting them in other ways, some of which you can also do.

loeg 2y ago

Something like half of NYT subscribers are only there for the games (tech side).

wiseowise 2y ago

Without office and cleaners there would be no Times.