You're talking about browser-based Web apps. I'm talking about Electron desktop apps and NPM-based programs. And I'm not calling out "bundlers". You said tha

You're talking about browser-based Web apps. I'm talking about Electron desktop apps and NPM-based programs. And I'm not calling out "bundlers". You said that. I mentioned Babel and Webpack in the context of software that is crummy. Previously: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41899671 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41899671> > You're having a terrible experience because you're interacting with terrible software. It doesn't matter that it's written in JS (or quasi-JS). Rewrite these implementations all in other languages, and the terrible experience will remain.