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The rest of the article contains quotes from Crumb backing most of that up.

moralestapia 2y ago
Did we read the same article? I'm talking about this one → https://musicaficionado.blog/2020/01/28/cheap-thrills-an-album-cover-by-robert-crumb/ https://musicaficionado.blog/2020/01/28/cheap-thrills-an-alb... >an album cover for a band he does not care for "I am going over to meet Janis Joplin tonight… CAN’T WAIT!" "Janis asked me to do an album cover. I liked Janis OK and I did her cover." >playing a music style he does not listen to "She wasn’t nationally known yet. I remember going to see her at the Avalon Ballroom and you could tell right away that she had an exceptional voice and she would go far. She started out singing old time blues like Bessie Smith. She was kind of a folknik originally." >appealing to an audience he does not connect with "But within six months Zap comics caught on and Crumb became known for his talent as an underground comics artist." "Janis, James (Gurley, guitar player) and I were all big fans of his work, we loved his cartoons which were appearing in the SF underground newspapers and Zap Comics."
- nerdponx 2y ago
  You're cherry-picking quotes. The whole point of him saying what he liked about Janis was that he didn't like Big Brother & the Holding Company, both as a style/concept and as musicians. The article is also full of quotes from Crumb himself saying how he didn't really like the hippie movement overall, even though he liked certain things about it, and the general impression is that no, he did not really feel connected with many of his own fans and fans of Big Brother.
- pavel_lishin 2y ago
  Janis Joplin sang the kind of music he liked, but her current band did not. Keep reading the rest of the article. > an album cover for a band he does not care for > playing a music style he does not listen to While he did not care for her current band and the psychedelic spin they took on blues, he recognized her ability to belt out the good ol’ blues: “Janis had played with earlier bands just playing country blues and it was much better. Way, way better. She’s singing well, not screaming, not playing to the audience that wanted to watch her sweat blood. In the beginning she was just an authentic, genuine Texas country-girl shouter.” Getz adds: “The next weekend Crumb came to our show at The Carousel Ballroom, sat on the floor in our backstage dressing room and observed. He really wasn’t into our music but it didn’t matter. Getz is understandably mild in his description of Crumb’s opinion of Big Brother and the Holding Company. Here is Crumb’s version, unadulterated: “She was a swell gal and a very talented singer. Ever heard any of this pre-Big Brother stuff she recorded? She was great. Then she got together with those idiots. The main problem with Big Brother was they were amateur musicians trying to play psychedelic rock and be heavy and you listen to it now and it’s bad… just embarrassing.” > appealing to an audience he does not connect with But Crumb came from another era, mentally, and to him this music was commercialism personified compared to the roots music from the 1920s and 1930s that moved him: “I had no patience for any of that psychedelic pop music or crap that came in the 60s: The Grateful Dead, Jim Morrison, The Doors, The Beatles, Bob Dylan. I had little or no interest in any of that. I thought I had found some music that was much more real, that came from the heart of people’s culture but had been wiped out by mass media and commercialism.” He liked some aspects of the Hippie movement, what he termed as seeing through the hype of consumer culture. He valued how they strived to live simply and saw the ecology movement being sparked by that. But he quickly became disillusioned by the movement: “Since it was mostly children of the middle class, it was immediately something for them to be smug about. ’Oh, I have seen the light and you haven’t. I’m beautiful, I’m spiritual. I lost my ego and you haven’t.’ It became where in any social gathering everybody sat around trying to out-cool each other.” But as he admits, he never felt comfortable in that environment anyway, even when it was at its peak of innocence: “I couldn’t kick off my shows and go dance in the park. I didn’t have it in me.”
  - moralestapia 2y ago
    All those things don't come from Crumb, they are hallucinations by the article's author. If you stick strictly to what Crumb said about it, the story is quite different. Also, https://www.janisjoplin.net/life/friends/robert-crumb/ https://www.janisjoplin.net/life/friends/robert-crumb/, mentions none of that. But yeah, some random neckbeard's blog is more authoritative than Janis' own site, for sure! (Also, if you knew a bit about Crumb you'd know it's the type of guy that just wouldn't do stuff he was not interested in.)
    - cma 2y ago
      > But yeah, some random neckbeard's blog is more authoritative than Janis' own site, for sure! That site said it was made by super fans in 1998? Doesn't seem like go to source for critical quotes (not that an official site would be either). Here's a source for the quote about him not liking her band from 2013, so no, it doesn't seem to have been hallucinated by the 2020 author: https://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2013/12/robert-crumb-interview/ https://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2013/12/robert-crumb-i...
    - pavel_lishin 2y ago
      Everything I've quoted contains quotes either attributed to Crumb, or to the drummer of Janis Joplin's band. Unless you're suggesting that the author literally made those quotes up? > (Also, if you knew a bit about Crumb you'd know it's the type of guy that just wouldn't do stuff he was not interested in.) He sounds like exactly the kind of guy who'd do a favor for a girl he wanted to fuck, despite not liking the band she was currently in.

Did we read the same article? I'm talking about this one → https://musicaficionado.blog/2020/01/28/cheap-thrills-an-album-cover-by-robert-crumb/ https://musicaficionado.blog/2020/01/28/cheap-thrills-an-alb... >an album cover for a band he does not care for "I am going over to meet Janis Joplin tonight… CAN’T WAIT!" "Janis asked me to do an album cover. I liked Janis OK and I did her cover." >playing a music style he does not listen to "She wasn’t nationally known yet. I remember going to see her at the Avalon Ballroom and you could tell right away that she had an exceptional voice and she would go far. She started out singing old time blues like Bessie Smith. She was kind of a folknik originally." >appealing to an audience he does not connect with "But within six months Zap comics caught on and Crumb became known for his talent as an underground comics artist." "Janis, James (Gurley, guitar player) and I were all big fans of his work, we loved his cartoons which were appearing in the SF underground newspapers and Zap Comics."

nerdponx 2y ago
You're cherry-picking quotes. The whole point of him saying what he liked about Janis was that he didn't like Big Brother & the Holding Company, both as a style/concept and as musicians. The article is also full of quotes from Crumb himself saying how he didn't really like the hippie movement overall, even though he liked certain things about it, and the general impression is that no, he did not really feel connected with many of his own fans and fans of Big Brother.
pavel_lishin 2y ago
Janis Joplin sang the kind of music he liked, but her current band did not. Keep reading the rest of the article. > an album cover for a band he does not care for > playing a music style he does not listen to While he did not care for her current band and the psychedelic spin they took on blues, he recognized her ability to belt out the good ol’ blues: “Janis had played with earlier bands just playing country blues and it was much better. Way, way better. She’s singing well, not screaming, not playing to the audience that wanted to watch her sweat blood. In the beginning she was just an authentic, genuine Texas country-girl shouter.” Getz adds: “The next weekend Crumb came to our show at The Carousel Ballroom, sat on the floor in our backstage dressing room and observed. He really wasn’t into our music but it didn’t matter. Getz is understandably mild in his description of Crumb’s opinion of Big Brother and the Holding Company. Here is Crumb’s version, unadulterated: “She was a swell gal and a very talented singer. Ever heard any of this pre-Big Brother stuff she recorded? She was great. Then she got together with those idiots. The main problem with Big Brother was they were amateur musicians trying to play psychedelic rock and be heavy and you listen to it now and it’s bad… just embarrassing.” > appealing to an audience he does not connect with But Crumb came from another era, mentally, and to him this music was commercialism personified compared to the roots music from the 1920s and 1930s that moved him: “I had no patience for any of that psychedelic pop music or crap that came in the 60s: The Grateful Dead, Jim Morrison, The Doors, The Beatles, Bob Dylan. I had little or no interest in any of that. I thought I had found some music that was much more real, that came from the heart of people’s culture but had been wiped out by mass media and commercialism.” He liked some aspects of the Hippie movement, what he termed as seeing through the hype of consumer culture. He valued how they strived to live simply and saw the ecology movement being sparked by that. But he quickly became disillusioned by the movement: “Since it was mostly children of the middle class, it was immediately something for them to be smug about. ’Oh, I have seen the light and you haven’t. I’m beautiful, I’m spiritual. I lost my ego and you haven’t.’ It became where in any social gathering everybody sat around trying to out-cool each other.” But as he admits, he never felt comfortable in that environment anyway, even when it was at its peak of innocence: “I couldn’t kick off my shows and go dance in the park. I didn’t have it in me.”
- moralestapia 2y ago
  All those things don't come from Crumb, they are hallucinations by the article's author. If you stick strictly to what Crumb said about it, the story is quite different. Also, https://www.janisjoplin.net/life/friends/robert-crumb/ https://www.janisjoplin.net/life/friends/robert-crumb/, mentions none of that. But yeah, some random neckbeard's blog is more authoritative than Janis' own site, for sure! (Also, if you knew a bit about Crumb you'd know it's the type of guy that just wouldn't do stuff he was not interested in.)
  - cma 2y ago
    > But yeah, some random neckbeard's blog is more authoritative than Janis' own site, for sure! That site said it was made by super fans in 1998? Doesn't seem like go to source for critical quotes (not that an official site would be either). Here's a source for the quote about him not liking her band from 2013, so no, it doesn't seem to have been hallucinated by the 2020 author: https://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2013/12/robert-crumb-interview/ https://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2013/12/robert-crumb-i...
  - pavel_lishin 2y ago
    Everything I've quoted contains quotes either attributed to Crumb, or to the drummer of Janis Joplin's band. Unless you're suggesting that the author literally made those quotes up? > (Also, if you knew a bit about Crumb you'd know it's the type of guy that just wouldn't do stuff he was not interested in.) He sounds like exactly the kind of guy who'd do a favor for a girl he wanted to fuck, despite not liking the band she was currently in.