4 ms·

It's a rough position for a country to be in, that's for sure. I have to believe we can talk our way out of it, cause I don't want a civil war

thinkingtoilet 2y ago
[flagged]
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
  Well we can't institutionalize those people, and if someone doesn't persuade them, they'll continue to hold half the power of the democracy.
- slowmovintarget 2y ago
  We can agree that Trump lost the election. But there are some additional facts that apply to the sentiment that the election was, at least, unfair. The suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story, which demonstrated influence peddling (at best) on the part of Hunter and Joe, had it become widely known before the election, would likely have influenced an estimated 1 million votes. The Google suggestion and search manipulation during the election, which has been documented, is estimated to have influenced 6 to 7 million votes. Trump lost by 88,000 votes in one state. He lost the election, and we can toss out all the other alleged conspiracies, and still say the election was unfair. Not stolen, but not above board, either. We can also agree that January 6th was a disgusting episode in our country's political history. But for the conversation: Can we start by stopping the demonization and build from a base of being fellow Americans?
  - Yizahi 2y ago
    And on the topic of lost votes and such, maybe also abandon first past the post principle and make every vote count? BTW: Trump lost not by 88 thousand votes but by 7 million votes and almost managed to manupulate himself into office. Talk about unfair.
kshahkshah 2y ago
> we can talk our way out of it Yup, we sure can, but we have to be willing to talk and need to dispense with the notion that "people shouldn't discuss politics". I firmly believe the opposite, we should very much discuss it. The more we discuss it, the more civil the discussions become, not less.
WillAdams 2y ago
It's exactly the sort of thing George Washington warned about in his farewell address.
- bediger4000 2y ago
  Your belief has a flaw. As an analogy: Two children argue over how to share a cookie. One child argues that the cookie should be split in half. The other child says that he should get the entire cookie. The adult, believing that each child is not as unfair as the other claims, gives 75% to the second child, and 25% to the first child.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - leereeves 2y ago
    What does that analogy have to do with George Washington?
    - WillAdams 2y ago
      Edited my post to remove a statement when I remembered I don't want to discuss politics here. It was a cogent response to my original post, and I will yield the point, though I don't fully agree with it.

thinkingtoilet 2y ago

[flagged]

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
Well we can't institutionalize those people, and if someone doesn't persuade them, they'll continue to hold half the power of the democracy.
slowmovintarget 2y ago
We can agree that Trump lost the election. But there are some additional facts that apply to the sentiment that the election was, at least, unfair. The suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story, which demonstrated influence peddling (at best) on the part of Hunter and Joe, had it become widely known before the election, would likely have influenced an estimated 1 million votes. The Google suggestion and search manipulation during the election, which has been documented, is estimated to have influenced 6 to 7 million votes. Trump lost by 88,000 votes in one state. He lost the election, and we can toss out all the other alleged conspiracies, and still say the election was unfair. Not stolen, but not above board, either. We can also agree that January 6th was a disgusting episode in our country's political history. But for the conversation: Can we start by stopping the demonization and build from a base of being fellow Americans?
- Yizahi 2y ago
  And on the topic of lost votes and such, maybe also abandon first past the post principle and make every vote count? BTW: Trump lost not by 88 thousand votes but by 7 million votes and almost managed to manupulate himself into office. Talk about unfair.

kshahkshah 2y ago

> we can talk our way out of it Yup, we sure can, but we have to be willing to talk and need to dispense with the notion that "people shouldn't discuss politics". I firmly believe the opposite, we should very much discuss it. The more we discuss it, the more civil the discussions become, not less.

WillAdams 2y ago

It's exactly the sort of thing George Washington warned about in his farewell address.

bediger4000 2y ago
Your belief has a flaw. As an analogy: Two children argue over how to share a cookie. One child argues that the cookie should be split in half. The other child says that he should get the entire cookie. The adult, believing that each child is not as unfair as the other claims, gives 75% to the second child, and 25% to the first child.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- leereeves 2y ago
  What does that analogy have to do with George Washington?
  - WillAdams 2y ago
    Edited my post to remove a statement when I remembered I don't want to discuss politics here. It was a cogent response to my original post, and I will yield the point, though I don't fully agree with it.