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I rely on them to know what is going on, and tomorrow is the biggest day of every four years for needing to know what the heck is going on. I find your suggest

I rely on them to know what is going on, and tomorrow is the biggest day of every four years for needing to know what the heck is going on. I find your suggestion that I should consider the trust I've built with their news division destroyed on this day of all days ridiculous and irresponsible, especially given the fact that the timing of the strike was chosen to hurt me extremely badly if I should feel morally obligated to follow your advice

dbalatero 2y ago
Times leadership knew this was coming and dragged their feet on negotiating.
- conartist6 2y ago
  I don't doubt it. While I wholeheartedly support their legal right to organize, I am not required to celebrate at the cynicism of attempting to undermine faith in democracy to win a better job
  - soco 2y ago
    I'm not sure how organizing a strike is undermining the faith in democracy, looks to me rather the other way around.
  - dbalatero 2y ago
    > I am not required to celebrate at the cynicism of attempting to undermine faith in democracy to win a better job You're being melodramatic. There are piles of news sources to choose from, absent NYT. And that assumes it falls over due to the strike, although it seems likely they need workers on hand to do ops.
    - conartist6 2y ago
      I am being a bit melodramatic, yes. My working assumption is that the services they offer are critical enough that management will somehow make sure they stand up, because it is their obligation to me as their customer to do so. But with there being such a strong probability that there will be coordinated far-right attempts to undermine faith in our system of elections tomorrow, I do really do think of tomorrow as a kind of holy day for democracy that is not acceptable to use as bargaining chip.
      - School-Cotton 2y ago
        > I do really do think of tomorrow as a kind of holy day for democracy that is not acceptable to use as bargaining chip. Nothing about an election where only the votes of people in 7 states out of 50 matter can possibly be "holy" for democracy. I don't need the far-right to undermine faith in our system of elections; I'm not far-right and have never had any faith in it to begin with.
  - bwestergard 2y ago
    There are many other excellent news sources. I suggest NPR, The LA Times, or the Washington Post.
    - conartist6 2y ago
      Did Wapo roll back their cost-saving plan to coerce their reporters into using AI to write the news?
  - randomdata 2y ago
    > attempting to undermine faith in democracy Election day, assuming that is what you are referring to, is the least important day in democracy. It is every day after the person is hired, when you stay on top of them and communicate your expectations to them, when democracy happens.
  - keybored 2y ago
    > While I wholeheartedly support their legal right to organize, I am not required to celebrate at the cynicism of attempting to undermine faith in democracy to win a better job I’m not gonna support your cynical anti-union, anti-worker policy of blaming everything on the part of the workers while dismissing the management side with a “I don’t doubt it”. Two can play this game.
malfist 2y ago
Protests that are done quietly and without costs and not effective protest. Also, there are more than one reputable news source. This protest isn't going to hurt you
nine_k 2y ago
I can't imagine that the strike was not timed. I suppose the idea is that the management may say "come on, let's quickly solve it and get back to the really important issues", if this indeed can be solved quickly. E.g. by saying that WFH is officially allowed for another year, or something similar, that actually requires no change except some change of heart among the higher-ups. Not having this solved well ahead of time speaks poorly of NYT overlords. My trust in NYT has deteriorated quite a bit over the years :(
lolinder 2y ago
> was chosen to hurt me extremely badly if I should feel morally obligated to follow your advice A few sincere questions: 1. Are there no other news sources that you'd trust to convey the binary of 'who won the election?' 2. Assuming that there aren't, what negative effect would there be to you from not knowing the result of the election for a few days? I'm sorta hoping that "hurt me extremely badly" is an exaggeration for effect. If not I'd suggest getting some perspective.
- conartist6 2y ago
  That's assuming the result is a binary this year. I'm expecting torrents of news about this contest, which is likely to turn into a brawl.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    And what harm to you would it be to not be aware of whatever nonsense is happening for a few days? Would you have been extremely damaged if you had not heard about January 6th until a week later? Unless you sincerely think there's going to be widespread political violence in your specific area, knowing about what's going on in at this exact moment is honestly as much about entertainment as anything else. And if you need local news, the NYT is typically not the best place. I'm as guilty of rubbernecking as anyone, but I wouldn't go so far as to claim that boycotting my favorite news source for a few days would be extremely damaging to me.
    - conartist6 2y ago
      One way I get to have faith in our country and pride in being an American for the next four years. You're talking about Jan 6 like it was just some minor scuffle. And I agree that it did not ultimately amount to more than that, but do not forget that at the time there were two live bombs on the ground, we were in a constitutional crisis, the president seemed to be hoping that if he maintained silence his supporters would carry out a forceful takeover of the government which he assured them would be righteous in his view. The fact that there was not more escalation had a lot to do with how many people were watching closely, as well as with the actions of a few individuals like Mike Pence and Brad Reffensperger who, at the most important moments, decided that their duty was to all Americans and not just to one man.
rsynnott 2y ago
The thing is, if people only go on strikes at times when it would be convenient to customers of the employer, then strikes wouldn't be particularly effective. (There actually are strikes which are consciously run on this basis, but mostly only in the most safety-critical fields.) Like, it's not as if the NYTimes was unaware that it'd be a big news week; you should probably be blaming management more than anyone else here.
blitzar 2y ago
> tomorrow is the biggest day of every four years for needing to know what the heck is going on Watching a car crash, totally outside of your control in real time is not healthy. Skip the will they / won't they and find something healthier to do with the 24 hours or so of uncertainty.

dbalatero 2y ago

Times leadership knew this was coming and dragged their feet on negotiating.

conartist6 2y ago
I don't doubt it. While I wholeheartedly support their legal right to organize, I am not required to celebrate at the cynicism of attempting to undermine faith in democracy to win a better job
- soco 2y ago
  I'm not sure how organizing a strike is undermining the faith in democracy, looks to me rather the other way around.
- dbalatero 2y ago
  > I am not required to celebrate at the cynicism of attempting to undermine faith in democracy to win a better job You're being melodramatic. There are piles of news sources to choose from, absent NYT. And that assumes it falls over due to the strike, although it seems likely they need workers on hand to do ops.
  - conartist6 2y ago
    I am being a bit melodramatic, yes. My working assumption is that the services they offer are critical enough that management will somehow make sure they stand up, because it is their obligation to me as their customer to do so. But with there being such a strong probability that there will be coordinated far-right attempts to undermine faith in our system of elections tomorrow, I do really do think of tomorrow as a kind of holy day for democracy that is not acceptable to use as bargaining chip.
    - School-Cotton 2y ago
      > I do really do think of tomorrow as a kind of holy day for democracy that is not acceptable to use as bargaining chip. Nothing about an election where only the votes of people in 7 states out of 50 matter can possibly be "holy" for democracy. I don't need the far-right to undermine faith in our system of elections; I'm not far-right and have never had any faith in it to begin with.
- bwestergard 2y ago
  There are many other excellent news sources. I suggest NPR, The LA Times, or the Washington Post.
  - conartist6 2y ago
    Did Wapo roll back their cost-saving plan to coerce their reporters into using AI to write the news?
- randomdata 2y ago
  > attempting to undermine faith in democracy Election day, assuming that is what you are referring to, is the least important day in democracy. It is every day after the person is hired, when you stay on top of them and communicate your expectations to them, when democracy happens.
- keybored 2y ago
  > While I wholeheartedly support their legal right to organize, I am not required to celebrate at the cynicism of attempting to undermine faith in democracy to win a better job I’m not gonna support your cynical anti-union, anti-worker policy of blaming everything on the part of the workers while dismissing the management side with a “I don’t doubt it”. Two can play this game.

malfist 2y ago

Protests that are done quietly and without costs and not effective protest. Also, there are more than one reputable news source. This protest isn't going to hurt you

nine_k 2y ago

I can't imagine that the strike was not timed. I suppose the idea is that the management may say "come on, let's quickly solve it and get back to the really important issues", if this indeed can be solved quickly. E.g. by saying that WFH is officially allowed for another year, or something similar, that actually requires no change except some change of heart among the higher-ups. Not having this solved well ahead of time speaks poorly of NYT overlords. My trust in NYT has deteriorated quite a bit over the years :(

lolinder 2y ago

> was chosen to hurt me extremely badly if I should feel morally obligated to follow your advice A few sincere questions: 1. Are there no other news sources that you'd trust to convey the binary of 'who won the election?' 2. Assuming that there aren't, what negative effect would there be to you from not knowing the result of the election for a few days? I'm sorta hoping that "hurt me extremely badly" is an exaggeration for effect. If not I'd suggest getting some perspective.

conartist6 2y ago
That's assuming the result is a binary this year. I'm expecting torrents of news about this contest, which is likely to turn into a brawl.
- lolinder 2y ago
  And what harm to you would it be to not be aware of whatever nonsense is happening for a few days? Would you have been extremely damaged if you had not heard about January 6th until a week later? Unless you sincerely think there's going to be widespread political violence in your specific area, knowing about what's going on in at this exact moment is honestly as much about entertainment as anything else. And if you need local news, the NYT is typically not the best place. I'm as guilty of rubbernecking as anyone, but I wouldn't go so far as to claim that boycotting my favorite news source for a few days would be extremely damaging to me.
  - conartist6 2y ago
    One way I get to have faith in our country and pride in being an American for the next four years. You're talking about Jan 6 like it was just some minor scuffle. And I agree that it did not ultimately amount to more than that, but do not forget that at the time there were two live bombs on the ground, we were in a constitutional crisis, the president seemed to be hoping that if he maintained silence his supporters would carry out a forceful takeover of the government which he assured them would be righteous in his view. The fact that there was not more escalation had a lot to do with how many people were watching closely, as well as with the actions of a few individuals like Mike Pence and Brad Reffensperger who, at the most important moments, decided that their duty was to all Americans and not just to one man.

rsynnott 2y ago

The thing is, if people only go on strikes at times when it would be convenient to customers of the employer, then strikes wouldn't be particularly effective. (There actually are strikes which are consciously run on this basis, but mostly only in the most safety-critical fields.) Like, it's not as if the NYTimes was unaware that it'd be a big news week; you should probably be blaming management more than anyone else here.

blitzar 2y ago

> tomorrow is the biggest day of every four years for needing to know what the heck is going on Watching a car crash, totally outside of your control in real time is not healthy. Skip the will they / won't they and find something healthier to do with the 24 hours or so of uncertainty.