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"its just so simple bros" (((spends weeks trying to find a router that supports it. Spends longer finding an ISP that supports it. Finds an ISP, multiple stack

"its just so simple bros" (((spends weeks trying to find a router that supports it. Spends longer finding an ISP that supports it. Finds an ISP, multiple stacks poorly support it. Web browsers barely support it. major large websites still aren't running it. tools break with it enabled. Any ipv6 code needs a cluster-fuck of bind hacks to work cross-platform))) Are you ready for the future, lads! Get ready! its coming!

freitasm 2y ago
It can be simple. I use an ISP that's been providing IPv6 for years, and they were kind enough to document what users need to do to get it working (https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?topicid=240157 https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?topicid=240157). However, if you use their routers (Fritz!Box), it works out of the box. I use a third-party router (Synology) and only had to check the IPv6 box to get it running—even with multiple VLANs in my network. There are plenty of IPv6 services around. If a service is behind Cloudflare, it's likely IPv6 will be enabled by default. It is the same with other services, including some cloud providers now giving IPv6 addresses but charging for IPv4.
- worthless-trash 2y ago
  Yeah, I'm connected to TPGI in australia, all my devices have it, seems to work.. something like 35% of my traffic goes over ipv6. Only thing I had to do was tick the "use ipv6" button on my router.
- Uptrenda 2y ago
  My iinet connection doesn't support it; My aussie broadband one did; My starlink connection didn't; My telstra one didnt (the routers they provided didnt even support v6); Maybe starlink supports v6 now but I know people were complaining about this early on (router UI had no mention of v6 but maybe possible?) It seems to be that you have to choose the ISPs that support it if you want it here (im based in Australia.)
  - worthless-trash 2y ago
    IInet is part of TPGI now, so the churn should be free.
- mixermachine 2y ago
  Got to say, Fritz!Box really makes the setup and maintenance easy. You will hit a wall if you want subnets and stuff but before that everything really works and they support their boxes for 6 to 10 years with updates. Not cheap thought.
- badgersnake 2y ago
  Have been using it for many years with Andrews and Arnold and a Turris Omnia. No problems at all.
yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
> spends weeks trying to find a router that supports it ? You managed to buy a router in 2024 that doesn't support IPv6?
- jesprenj 2y ago
  You'd be surprised how many cheap tenda wifi "access points" sold right now for 15€ still don't support v6, even though access points shouldn't mess with anything above L2.
  - aaronmdjones 2y ago
    Well, you still need a way to manage them. Having an administrative web interface accessible over IPv4 but not IPv6 was probably considered Good Enough by whoever wrote the firmware. Same reason cable modems don't mess with anything above L2 but are still reachable at http://192.168.100.1/ http://192.168.100.1/ (no IPv6 equivalent).
    - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
      > Same reason cable modems don't mess with anything above L2 but are still reachable at http://192.168.100.1/ http://192.168.100.1/ (no IPv6 equivalent). Isn't that what fe80::/10 is for? (Or ff02::1 but I grant that's harder to use)
      - aaronmdjones 2y ago
        That's a link-local address range (like 169.254/16 in IPv4). You'd need to specify which local link to use in order to connect to it (e.g. http://[fe80::aa:bb:cc:dd%eth0]/ http://[fe80::aa:bb:cc:dd%eth0]/) and it wouldn't traverse past a router so wouldn't work if you have your own router between you and your modem. The closest analog would be something in fc00::/8 (which belongs to fc00::/7 which is the IPv6 analog to 10/8, 172.16/12, 192.168/16), but good luck getting cable modem firmware vendors to all agree on which random address to use within that and then actually implement web administration and diagnostics on it. That's what I was getting at by saying there's no IPv6 equivalent; they haven't done that.
usr1106 2y ago
What web browser would "barely" support it? I use Firefox on Linux and have not noted any problems. Well, I don't check every connection and whether the server would have supported it. But whenever I checked for curiosity IPv6 was used when supported.
- roygbiv2 2y ago
  There's a nice extension for firefox called sixindicator which displays a 6 or a 4 in the address bar depending on which one the site uses.
  - usr1106 2y ago
    I used that when IPv6 was new for me. It looks nice. Many Web pages contact several servers (even with ad blocking) So not sure a single icon can be more than entertaining.
    - roygbiv2 2y ago
      Agree it's nothing more than nice to see ipv6 is actually working.
izacus 2y ago
Also, router supporting IPv6 technically doesn't mean it supports all features you'd need for home network. Most routers support RA and that's it... it's very common to find ones that don't even support firewall rules for v6.
blitzar 2y ago
Its the year of IPv6!

freitasm 2y ago

It can be simple. I use an ISP that's been providing IPv6 for years, and they were kind enough to document what users need to do to get it working (https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?topicid=240157 https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?topicid=240157). However, if you use their routers (Fritz!Box), it works out of the box. I use a third-party router (Synology) and only had to check the IPv6 box to get it running—even with multiple VLANs in my network. There are plenty of IPv6 services around. If a service is behind Cloudflare, it's likely IPv6 will be enabled by default. It is the same with other services, including some cloud providers now giving IPv6 addresses but charging for IPv4.

worthless-trash 2y ago
Yeah, I'm connected to TPGI in australia, all my devices have it, seems to work.. something like 35% of my traffic goes over ipv6. Only thing I had to do was tick the "use ipv6" button on my router.
Uptrenda 2y ago
My iinet connection doesn't support it; My aussie broadband one did; My starlink connection didn't; My telstra one didnt (the routers they provided didnt even support v6); Maybe starlink supports v6 now but I know people were complaining about this early on (router UI had no mention of v6 but maybe possible?) It seems to be that you have to choose the ISPs that support it if you want it here (im based in Australia.)
- worthless-trash 2y ago
  IInet is part of TPGI now, so the churn should be free.
mixermachine 2y ago
Got to say, Fritz!Box really makes the setup and maintenance easy. You will hit a wall if you want subnets and stuff but before that everything really works and they support their boxes for 6 to 10 years with updates. Not cheap thought.
badgersnake 2y ago
Have been using it for many years with Andrews and Arnold and a Turris Omnia. No problems at all.

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago

> spends weeks trying to find a router that supports it ? You managed to buy a router in 2024 that doesn't support IPv6?

jesprenj 2y ago
You'd be surprised how many cheap tenda wifi "access points" sold right now for 15€ still don't support v6, even though access points shouldn't mess with anything above L2.
- aaronmdjones 2y ago
  Well, you still need a way to manage them. Having an administrative web interface accessible over IPv4 but not IPv6 was probably considered Good Enough by whoever wrote the firmware. Same reason cable modems don't mess with anything above L2 but are still reachable at http://192.168.100.1/ http://192.168.100.1/ (no IPv6 equivalent).
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    > Same reason cable modems don't mess with anything above L2 but are still reachable at http://192.168.100.1/ http://192.168.100.1/ (no IPv6 equivalent). Isn't that what fe80::/10 is for? (Or ff02::1 but I grant that's harder to use)
    - aaronmdjones 2y ago
      That's a link-local address range (like 169.254/16 in IPv4). You'd need to specify which local link to use in order to connect to it (e.g. http://[fe80::aa:bb:cc:dd%eth0]/ http://[fe80::aa:bb:cc:dd%eth0]/) and it wouldn't traverse past a router so wouldn't work if you have your own router between you and your modem. The closest analog would be something in fc00::/8 (which belongs to fc00::/7 which is the IPv6 analog to 10/8, 172.16/12, 192.168/16), but good luck getting cable modem firmware vendors to all agree on which random address to use within that and then actually implement web administration and diagnostics on it. That's what I was getting at by saying there's no IPv6 equivalent; they haven't done that.

usr1106 2y ago

What web browser would "barely" support it? I use Firefox on Linux and have not noted any problems. Well, I don't check every connection and whether the server would have supported it. But whenever I checked for curiosity IPv6 was used when supported.

roygbiv2 2y ago
There's a nice extension for firefox called sixindicator which displays a 6 or a 4 in the address bar depending on which one the site uses.
- usr1106 2y ago
  I used that when IPv6 was new for me. It looks nice. Many Web pages contact several servers (even with ad blocking) So not sure a single icon can be more than entertaining.
  - roygbiv2 2y ago
    Agree it's nothing more than nice to see ipv6 is actually working.

izacus 2y ago

Also, router supporting IPv6 technically doesn't mean it supports all features you'd need for home network. Most routers support RA and that's it... it's very common to find ones that don't even support firewall rules for v6.

blitzar 2y ago

Its the year of IPv6!