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How does "No Paid Prioritization" compare to "Equal Time", and which groups have opposed and supported which?

adastra22 2y ago
What is "equal time"? I've never heard of an "equal time" net neutrality rule. The only FCC "Equal Time" rule I'm familiar with is with respect to political party representation during election coverage.
- westurner 2y ago
  FWIU the Equal-time rule is distinct from the cancelled "Fairness doctrine", and the Equal Time rule applies only to broadcast radio and tv. The "No Paid Prioritization" rule applies to all Title II Common Carrier Internet Service Providers but not to Information Service Providers. The 2015 FCC net neutrality rules for ISPs were cancelled by a Verizon lobbyist until April 2024, when the FCC reinstituted the net neutrality rules; "No blocking", "No throttling", "No Paid Prioritization". ISPs are again considered Title II Common Carriers. But now the court has stayed the rules due to corporate lobbyists. So, the "No Paid Prioritization" rule does not apply to the Internet ATM because corporate lobbyists. Equal-time rule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-time_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-time_rule
  - westurner 2y ago
    (Comcast in Philadelphia acquired NBC from GE in 2010; and a bunch of shows died, but not SNL. Comcast is an ISP and also owns NBC and this SNL. Tom Wheeler - who got the 2015 Open Internet Rules passed - was an attorney for Comcast prior to the FCC post. Pai was a Verizon lobbyist prior to the FCC post. Pai worked to cancel the "No blocking", "No throttling", and "No Paid Prioritization" rules that protected the Internet.) There is no equal time if there is paid prioritization; to do paid prioritization the ISP prioritizes packets according to payola (which is already illegal in the music industry, for example). From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola : > Payola, in the music industry, is the name given to the illegal practice of paying a commercial radio station to play a song without the station disclosing the payment Are there disclosure rules for Paid Prioritization by ISPs? Are my school videos slower because adult sites just pay the man?
  - adastra22 2y ago
    Equal time has nothing to do with net neutrality…
    - westurner 2y ago
      Do you know what a priority queue is compared to FIFO or LIFO? (Edit: Network scheduler: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_scheduler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_scheduler ) How would you implement each with code? I think if you support the values of Equal Time, you should also support No Paid Prioritization. If there is paid prioritization, there is not equal time.
      - adastra22 2y ago
        Equal time is about campaigns having equal amount of airtime on broadcast television/radio. It says nothing about the internet or network packet prioritization.
        westurner 2y ago
        How are those different? If packets of media_property_A are prioritized over media_property_B, which is slower and then is there equal time division on the line?
westurner 2y ago
Small Businesses, early stage ventures, and entrepreneurs want a level playing field so that they can afford to compete with incumbent large corporations which can afford to pay for prioritization if that's what everyone else does. But isn't that (radio) Payola all over again?

What is "equal time"? I've never heard of an "equal time" net neutrality rule. The only FCC "Equal Time" rule I'm familiar with is with respect to political party representation during election coverage.

westurner 2y ago
FWIU the Equal-time rule is distinct from the cancelled "Fairness doctrine", and the Equal Time rule applies only to broadcast radio and tv. The "No Paid Prioritization" rule applies to all Title II Common Carrier Internet Service Providers but not to Information Service Providers. The 2015 FCC net neutrality rules for ISPs were cancelled by a Verizon lobbyist until April 2024, when the FCC reinstituted the net neutrality rules; "No blocking", "No throttling", "No Paid Prioritization". ISPs are again considered Title II Common Carriers. But now the court has stayed the rules due to corporate lobbyists. So, the "No Paid Prioritization" rule does not apply to the Internet ATM because corporate lobbyists. Equal-time rule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-time_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-time_rule
- westurner 2y ago
  (Comcast in Philadelphia acquired NBC from GE in 2010; and a bunch of shows died, but not SNL. Comcast is an ISP and also owns NBC and this SNL. Tom Wheeler - who got the 2015 Open Internet Rules passed - was an attorney for Comcast prior to the FCC post. Pai was a Verizon lobbyist prior to the FCC post. Pai worked to cancel the "No blocking", "No throttling", and "No Paid Prioritization" rules that protected the Internet.) There is no equal time if there is paid prioritization; to do paid prioritization the ISP prioritizes packets according to payola (which is already illegal in the music industry, for example). From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola : > Payola, in the music industry, is the name given to the illegal practice of paying a commercial radio station to play a song without the station disclosing the payment Are there disclosure rules for Paid Prioritization by ISPs? Are my school videos slower because adult sites just pay the man?
- adastra22 2y ago
  Equal time has nothing to do with net neutrality…
  - westurner 2y ago
    Do you know what a priority queue is compared to FIFO or LIFO? (Edit: Network scheduler: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_scheduler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_scheduler ) How would you implement each with code? I think if you support the values of Equal Time, you should also support No Paid Prioritization. If there is paid prioritization, there is not equal time.
    - adastra22 2y ago
      Equal time is about campaigns having equal amount of airtime on broadcast television/radio. It says nothing about the internet or network packet prioritization.
      - westurner 2y ago
        How are those different? If packets of media_property_A are prioritized over media_property_B, which is slower and then is there equal time division on the line?

westurner 2y ago

Small Businesses, early stage ventures, and entrepreneurs want a level playing field so that they can afford to compete with incumbent large corporations which can afford to pay for prioritization if that's what everyone else does. But isn't that (radio) Payola all over again?