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If you insist on following an honor code while competing against people who are ready to take an unfair advantage of you, you lose.

JadeNB 2y ago
> If you insist on following an honor code while competing against people who are ready to take an unfair advantage of you, you lose. "Unfair" is in there. If you are competing against a person who will pull out all the stops against you, then there is nothing unfair about pulling out all the stops against them.
- earleybird 2y ago
  So, tit-for-tat?
  - JadeNB 2y ago
    > So, tit-for-tat? That's a reasonable reading, but I think that there is a difference between competition and punishment. In the heat of the competition, I think I am comfortable with the idea that it is permissible to meet the fierceness of your competitor with equal ferocity. If afterwards someone is found to have exceeded their remit and punishment needs to be dealt, then I think that should be governed by a separate ethical principle.
- euroderf 2y ago
  War crimes have entered the chat.
  - JadeNB 2y ago
    > War crimes have entered the chat. Good point, but I believe war crimes mainly come when you substitute ‘a people’ for ‘a person’ in: > "Unfair" is in there. If you are competing against a person who will pull out all the stops against you, then there is nothing unfair about pulling out all the stops against them. But I did specifically mean a person, just one. (I also was envisioning, like, struggling for top spot in a class, not struggling to take San Juan Hill. But I'm not immediately sure I can sign on to an ethical principle that says that you are not entitled to respond to one specific competitor with as much fierceness as they bring to the competition, even when that competition becomes deadly.)
    - euroderf 2y ago
      All good points. So how about the shifting alliances and goals of Squid Game ?
      - JadeNB 2y ago
        > So how about the shifting alliances and goals of Squid Game ? I couldn't comment, since I haven't seen it, but I think the mandate of fairness makes sense even in the presence of shifting goals, and probably governs the extent to which it's reasonable to switch alliances.
eviks 2y ago
So nothing would change since some Caltech members are also ready
- onionisafruit 2y ago
  How dare you suggest that?

JadeNB 2y ago

> If you insist on following an honor code while competing against people who are ready to take an unfair advantage of you, you lose. "Unfair" is in there. If you are competing against a person who will pull out all the stops against you, then there is nothing unfair about pulling out all the stops against them.

earleybird 2y ago
So, tit-for-tat?
- JadeNB 2y ago
  > So, tit-for-tat? That's a reasonable reading, but I think that there is a difference between competition and punishment. In the heat of the competition, I think I am comfortable with the idea that it is permissible to meet the fierceness of your competitor with equal ferocity. If afterwards someone is found to have exceeded their remit and punishment needs to be dealt, then I think that should be governed by a separate ethical principle.
euroderf 2y ago
War crimes have entered the chat.
- JadeNB 2y ago
  > War crimes have entered the chat. Good point, but I believe war crimes mainly come when you substitute ‘a people’ for ‘a person’ in: > "Unfair" is in there. If you are competing against a person who will pull out all the stops against you, then there is nothing unfair about pulling out all the stops against them. But I did specifically mean a person, just one. (I also was envisioning, like, struggling for top spot in a class, not struggling to take San Juan Hill. But I'm not immediately sure I can sign on to an ethical principle that says that you are not entitled to respond to one specific competitor with as much fierceness as they bring to the competition, even when that competition becomes deadly.)
  - euroderf 2y ago
    All good points. So how about the shifting alliances and goals of Squid Game ?
    - JadeNB 2y ago
      > So how about the shifting alliances and goals of Squid Game ? I couldn't comment, since I haven't seen it, but I think the mandate of fairness makes sense even in the presence of shifting goals, and probably governs the extent to which it's reasonable to switch alliances.

eviks 2y ago

So nothing would change since some Caltech members are also ready

onionisafruit 2y ago
How dare you suggest that?