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The article doesn't provide details, but it would be interesting to know what percentage of the test subjects, if any, did in fact change their view in light of

The article doesn't provide details, but it would be interesting to know what percentage of the test subjects, if any, did in fact change their view in light of new evidence. Surely some people are more rational than others.

dymk 2y ago
Why do you assume some people are more rational than others?
- madaxe_again 2y ago
  It’s a reasonable assumption. Some people are shorter than others. Also, quite a bit of what we class as mental illness seems to be an overabundance of rationality. The existential dread of the depressed. The questioning of societal norms by autists. Neither are wrong, but both are socially dysfunctional. Then, there are those of us who just can’t hack belief. “Just trust me, it’s true” was never an acceptable answer, and so I was a kid full of “why”, and am the same as an adult. If it can’t be explained, rationally and coherently within the context of everything else, it just gets put in a “maybe” pigeonhole and awaits further evidence or information. I form hypotheses, but they are not precious to me - I suppose for me because my identity isn’t tied to any concept in particular, and I’m quite acceptant of myself as a remarkable yet purposeless molecular Heath Robinson contraption. I also doubt that I am alone. Am I perfectly rational? Lord, no. Do I think I manage a higher level of rationality than most, and have an… “unusual” life to show for it? Sure.
- shepherdjerred 2y ago
  There's no such thing as a standard human. You can't find one trait or measure that is the same for all humans. Everyone is different in every way, though the difference isn't always enough to matter.
FatalLogic 2y ago
Maybe you can find the answer to your question in the original papers? These are probably the publications: Ross, L., Lepper, M.R. and Hubbard, M. (1975) Perseverance in Self-Perception and Social Perception: Biased Attributional Processes in the Debriefing Paradigm. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 32, 880-892. https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1037/0022-3514.32.5.880 https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1037/0022-3514.32.5.88... Anderson, C.A., Lepper, M.R., & Ross, L. (1980). The perseverance of social theories: The role of explanation in the persistence of discredited information. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 39, 1037-1049. https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1037/h0077720 https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1037/h0077720

dymk 2y ago

Why do you assume some people are more rational than others?

madaxe_again 2y ago
It’s a reasonable assumption. Some people are shorter than others. Also, quite a bit of what we class as mental illness seems to be an overabundance of rationality. The existential dread of the depressed. The questioning of societal norms by autists. Neither are wrong, but both are socially dysfunctional. Then, there are those of us who just can’t hack belief. “Just trust me, it’s true” was never an acceptable answer, and so I was a kid full of “why”, and am the same as an adult. If it can’t be explained, rationally and coherently within the context of everything else, it just gets put in a “maybe” pigeonhole and awaits further evidence or information. I form hypotheses, but they are not precious to me - I suppose for me because my identity isn’t tied to any concept in particular, and I’m quite acceptant of myself as a remarkable yet purposeless molecular Heath Robinson contraption. I also doubt that I am alone. Am I perfectly rational? Lord, no. Do I think I manage a higher level of rationality than most, and have an… “unusual” life to show for it? Sure.
shepherdjerred 2y ago
There's no such thing as a standard human. You can't find one trait or measure that is the same for all humans. Everyone is different in every way, though the difference isn't always enough to matter.

FatalLogic 2y ago

Maybe you can find the answer to your question in the original papers? These are probably the publications: Ross, L., Lepper, M.R. and Hubbard, M. (1975) Perseverance in Self-Perception and Social Perception: Biased Attributional Processes in the Debriefing Paradigm. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 32, 880-892. https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1037/0022-3514.32.5.880 https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1037/0022-3514.32.5.88... Anderson, C.A., Lepper, M.R., & Ross, L. (1980). The perseverance of social theories: The role of explanation in the persistence of discredited information. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 39, 1037-1049. https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1037/h0077720 https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1037/h0077720