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Why do you think “people’s treatment is not going any better”? As far as I know, cancer outcomes have greatly improved.

bb88 2y ago
It's the articles that decry "Big discovery in X". This could be because the researchers need funding so they will hype the results as much as possible. Then the articles need as much readership so the journalists hype the results as much as possible. Then the people suffering from the disease want as much help as possible so they push the articles/papers to the doctors. On the other hand, it's been my experience that GLP-1 agonsists weren't overhyped, I was completely surprised when my doctor prescribed Mounjaro for weight loss. Even after decades of articles about "NEW WEIGHT LOSS TREATMENT!" (See also phen-phen)
- markus92 2y ago
  It's mostly the PR department of universities that boast about those big discoveries. Researchers themselves usually try to add some nuance to it.
SoftTalker 2y ago
Cancer detection/testing has gotten a lot more attention. Detected early, many victims are still alive after 5 years and considered "cured." But it still gets you in the end. A lot of expense and misery while under medication/chemo/rad/surgical therapy and in the end you are dead just the same.
- fzeroracer 2y ago
  I'm not sure why this matters. In the end we're all going to die, death is inescapable. The ultimate form of your rationalization is that we should simply not treat anything because we die all the same. But for many cancers and other diseases not only has early detection gotten better but so has treatment and prognosis. Treatment isn't nearly as bad to go through and long term survival rates are higher. People can live longer with cancer while still being fully functioning.
- Spooky23 2y ago
  That’s the measurement that a lot of Covid deniers liked to roll out. Death isn’t the only metric. Life is a precious and personal thing. Those years mean wishes fulfilled, graduations and weddings celebrated, life lived.
ekianjo 2y ago
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- rowanG077 2y ago
  What else is there? Are you saying immortality or bust?
  - ekianjo 2y ago
    What else is there? Long term remission for example. This is hardly looked at because we don't see any difference.
    - rowanG077 2y ago
      Long term remission is just a few months extra to live. In the end you have people who die quickly and people that live for years. That's why you get averages of a few months extra.
adamredwoods 2y ago
Depends. Early cancer? Yes, outlook is getting better. Metastatic cancer? It's still very bad outcomes. (Personal experience.)

bb88 2y ago

It's the articles that decry "Big discovery in X". This could be because the researchers need funding so they will hype the results as much as possible. Then the articles need as much readership so the journalists hype the results as much as possible. Then the people suffering from the disease want as much help as possible so they push the articles/papers to the doctors. On the other hand, it's been my experience that GLP-1 agonsists weren't overhyped, I was completely surprised when my doctor prescribed Mounjaro for weight loss. Even after decades of articles about "NEW WEIGHT LOSS TREATMENT!" (See also phen-phen)

markus92 2y ago
It's mostly the PR department of universities that boast about those big discoveries. Researchers themselves usually try to add some nuance to it.

SoftTalker 2y ago

Cancer detection/testing has gotten a lot more attention. Detected early, many victims are still alive after 5 years and considered "cured." But it still gets you in the end. A lot of expense and misery while under medication/chemo/rad/surgical therapy and in the end you are dead just the same.

fzeroracer 2y ago
I'm not sure why this matters. In the end we're all going to die, death is inescapable. The ultimate form of your rationalization is that we should simply not treat anything because we die all the same. But for many cancers and other diseases not only has early detection gotten better but so has treatment and prognosis. Treatment isn't nearly as bad to go through and long term survival rates are higher. People can live longer with cancer while still being fully functioning.
Spooky23 2y ago
That’s the measurement that a lot of Covid deniers liked to roll out. Death isn’t the only metric. Life is a precious and personal thing. Those years mean wishes fulfilled, graduations and weddings celebrated, life lived.

ekianjo 2y ago

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rowanG077 2y ago
What else is there? Are you saying immortality or bust?
- ekianjo 2y ago
  What else is there? Long term remission for example. This is hardly looked at because we don't see any difference.
  - rowanG077 2y ago
    Long term remission is just a few months extra to live. In the end you have people who die quickly and people that live for years. That's why you get averages of a few months extra.

adamredwoods 2y ago

Depends. Early cancer? Yes, outlook is getting better. Metastatic cancer? It's still very bad outcomes. (Personal experience.)