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Not sure what functionality is not covered by current cables. Both my laptop and phone, which are several years old, use the usb-C connector for power, data, vi

Not sure what functionality is not covered by current cables. Both my laptop and phone, which are several years old, use the usb-C connector for power, data, video, audio, and combined with a hub can connect to any usb peripheral out there. Sure, the weird triple-split usb-c connector that came with my son's cheap walkie-talkies from Amazon doesn't do all that. But I don't expect it to, and it will at least charge my phone if I plug it, and that's the primary usage I want for this cable.

creshal 2y ago
Try buying an USB-C cable in a random brick and mortar store, or on Amazon. Between "fully thunderbolt 4 certified" cables that do everything, reliable, and "you get two wires for basic 5W charging" cables that reliably disappoint, there's a wild world of maybe sorta compatible cables (don't ask what they're compatible with), and that's before you get into counterfeiting problems (thanks, Amazon). Edit: Yes, like with all problems in life, "just be better informed than 99% of the population" is a possible, if smug, solution. Just not a good solution for the other 99%.
- eek2121 2y ago
  I haven’t had much of an issue if you ignore thunderbolt (I own no thunderbolt devices) Only one USB-C cable I have ever owned was not capable of fast charging, and it was sold by a third party on Amazon.
- phil21 2y ago
  Honestly I haven’t had much of an issue at all. Just buy trusted brands like Anker, Monoprice, Cables Direct, etc. for slightly more than the cheapest on Amazon. Have yet to receive a counterfeit, checking who is selling and fulfilling the item like you would anything else you buy from any other marketplace style site. I’m starting to believe the whole counterfeits/commingled inventory zeitgeist on Amazon is another one of those things that was somewhat true at one point, but is more overblown social media bluster like so many other topics are today. Do they happen? Of course. I just doubt it’s as common as trotted out on here. I buy an exceptionally large amount of stuff like this off Amazon for projects, and must be in the top single digit percentile for consumers of theirs for “cheap Chinese generic junk” and have yet to receive a single item I’ve noticed was not what it said it was. Some useless junk for sure, but those were all my fault and returned without issue. We are talking hundreds of USB-C cables now, ranging from charging only to full on thunderbolt driving multiple daisy chained 4k monitors.
  - creshal 2y ago
    > Just buy trusted brands like Anker, Monoprice, Cables Direct, etc. for slightly more than the cheapest on Amazon. That category includes cables that can - do one of the many quick charging standards (or multiple), but data only at 2.0 rates - data at 3.x rates (any variants) but no power delivery - power delivery, but only at limited wattages, and data at 3.0 speeds, to slow for alternate modes If you know what you're doing, you can dodge all these landmines, but 99% of consumers do not and never will, and to them USB-C is that weird connector where they never know what'll work today. (Whoever decided that USB2 passthrough only works in one orientation was a real sadist, too.)
    - talldayo 2y ago
      > and to them USB-C is that weird connector where they never know what'll work today. No? What world do you live in? Both of my parents have used USB-C for years, and they're more careful with their charging blocks than they are with their cables. All they care about is plugging in their devices to charge and USB-C cables do that fine. Both Lightning and USB are replete with non-conformant counterfeit cables, it's a moot point since people throw away anything that is nonfunctional. 99% of consumers don't need Thunderbolt capabilities, so they don't actually care if it's there. That's why your mom and dad don't charge their phones with fully-specced cables either. Considering that Lighting cables tend to max out their wattage at the USB-C minimum, I think these are some seriously bottom-barrel arguments. Even child-friendly manufacturers like Nintendo consider USB-C perfectly suitable to trust with children, because it's actually not that hard to deal with if you're just trying to charge a tablet. And so does Apple, if you don't consider the Mac a fully estranged business.
      - creshal 2y ago
        Nintendo is the perfect counter example for the supposed "universality" of USB-C: - The Switch insists on an obscure non-mandatory voltage that many early USB-PD power supplies did not support (and good luck teaching the difference between USB-PD and USB-QC), and even today a good chunk won't - The Switch is the only commonly used device to not use DP Alternate Mode for its docking station, so it needs special Switch docks that support it (but an iPad will run with a Dell laptop dock!) Apple at least managed to unify their devices on USB-PD for charging, but if you're using any other phone vendor, you run into the added problem that PD is a premium future and you're only getting QC for fast charging. I can find a set of USB cables and a charger on Amazon that can charge any combination of laptop, phone and Switch at the same time with full speed. But 99% of regular, non-IT people I meey consider this witchcraft - anything other than "I use my laptop charger and the laptop cable for my laptop, and the phone charger with the phone cable, and the switch charger has the cable integrated" doesn't work for them and they have better things to do with their lives than figure out why, and I can't blame them.

creshal 2y ago

Try buying an USB-C cable in a random brick and mortar store, or on Amazon. Between "fully thunderbolt 4 certified" cables that do everything, reliable, and "you get two wires for basic 5W charging" cables that reliably disappoint, there's a wild world of maybe sorta compatible cables (don't ask what they're compatible with), and that's before you get into counterfeiting problems (thanks, Amazon). Edit: Yes, like with all problems in life, "just be better informed than 99% of the population" is a possible, if smug, solution. Just not a good solution for the other 99%.

eek2121 2y ago
I haven’t had much of an issue if you ignore thunderbolt (I own no thunderbolt devices) Only one USB-C cable I have ever owned was not capable of fast charging, and it was sold by a third party on Amazon.
phil21 2y ago
Honestly I haven’t had much of an issue at all. Just buy trusted brands like Anker, Monoprice, Cables Direct, etc. for slightly more than the cheapest on Amazon. Have yet to receive a counterfeit, checking who is selling and fulfilling the item like you would anything else you buy from any other marketplace style site. I’m starting to believe the whole counterfeits/commingled inventory zeitgeist on Amazon is another one of those things that was somewhat true at one point, but is more overblown social media bluster like so many other topics are today. Do they happen? Of course. I just doubt it’s as common as trotted out on here. I buy an exceptionally large amount of stuff like this off Amazon for projects, and must be in the top single digit percentile for consumers of theirs for “cheap Chinese generic junk” and have yet to receive a single item I’ve noticed was not what it said it was. Some useless junk for sure, but those were all my fault and returned without issue. We are talking hundreds of USB-C cables now, ranging from charging only to full on thunderbolt driving multiple daisy chained 4k monitors.
- creshal 2y ago
  > Just buy trusted brands like Anker, Monoprice, Cables Direct, etc. for slightly more than the cheapest on Amazon. That category includes cables that can - do one of the many quick charging standards (or multiple), but data only at 2.0 rates - data at 3.x rates (any variants) but no power delivery - power delivery, but only at limited wattages, and data at 3.0 speeds, to slow for alternate modes If you know what you're doing, you can dodge all these landmines, but 99% of consumers do not and never will, and to them USB-C is that weird connector where they never know what'll work today. (Whoever decided that USB2 passthrough only works in one orientation was a real sadist, too.)
  - talldayo 2y ago
    > and to them USB-C is that weird connector where they never know what'll work today. No? What world do you live in? Both of my parents have used USB-C for years, and they're more careful with their charging blocks than they are with their cables. All they care about is plugging in their devices to charge and USB-C cables do that fine. Both Lightning and USB are replete with non-conformant counterfeit cables, it's a moot point since people throw away anything that is nonfunctional. 99% of consumers don't need Thunderbolt capabilities, so they don't actually care if it's there. That's why your mom and dad don't charge their phones with fully-specced cables either. Considering that Lighting cables tend to max out their wattage at the USB-C minimum, I think these are some seriously bottom-barrel arguments. Even child-friendly manufacturers like Nintendo consider USB-C perfectly suitable to trust with children, because it's actually not that hard to deal with if you're just trying to charge a tablet. And so does Apple, if you don't consider the Mac a fully estranged business.
    - creshal 2y ago
      Nintendo is the perfect counter example for the supposed "universality" of USB-C: - The Switch insists on an obscure non-mandatory voltage that many early USB-PD power supplies did not support (and good luck teaching the difference between USB-PD and USB-QC), and even today a good chunk won't - The Switch is the only commonly used device to not use DP Alternate Mode for its docking station, so it needs special Switch docks that support it (but an iPad will run with a Dell laptop dock!) Apple at least managed to unify their devices on USB-PD for charging, but if you're using any other phone vendor, you run into the added problem that PD is a premium future and you're only getting QC for fast charging. I can find a set of USB cables and a charger on Amazon that can charge any combination of laptop, phone and Switch at the same time with full speed. But 99% of regular, non-IT people I meey consider this witchcraft - anything other than "I use my laptop charger and the laptop cable for my laptop, and the phone charger with the phone cable, and the switch charger has the cable integrated" doesn't work for them and they have better things to do with their lives than figure out why, and I can't blame them.