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Yes I do prefer analog controls. Dials for heat. Open close flaps for vents. On off switches. Tangentially: the Tesla single giant glass console is in dire nee

Yes I do prefer analog controls. Dials for heat. Open close flaps for vents. On off switches. Tangentially: the Tesla single giant glass console is in dire need of a UX designer to take the clutter out and make it far more usable. It’s here I wish that Apple had bought Tesla many many years ago: CarPlay as they have it now where it takes over the whole screen would have been amazing.

m463 2y ago
> Apple had bought Tesla lol. I think tesla was copying apple, relentlessly removing without knowing when to stop. Apple has lost its way too in this respect.
- samatman 2y ago
  I know right? Adding two buttons to the iPhone, an HDMI port and SD slot to the MBP, putting the function key buttons back, when will it end?!
  - m463 2y ago
    I have to give credit there, those were actually good moves. lightning too. But I'm still not back in the fold. (and Tesla actually relented twice on the s/x - yoke horn button, plus added back a round steering wheel option)
bhauer 2y ago
> Yes I do prefer analog controls. Dials for heat. Open close flaps for vents. On off switches. Dials and switches can be fully digital (e.g., dials can be free-spinning, without locks at each end of a setting). So preferring dials and switches seems reasonable. But flaps for vents are very difficult to automate. Returning to manual flaps in cars would mean losing modern cars' ability to associate and restore HVAC vent preferences with driver profiles. It would mean returning to the time when it was actually necessary to adjust the HVAC vents every time you swapped drivers. While setting vent preferences on the screen may take a second or two longer than manually setting them, thanks to the setting being associated with my driver profile, it's a set-once-and-forget-forever setting. The net time and annoyance savings is large.
- finnh 2y ago
  Thanks for explaining something I've never understood. I still think it is silly, tho - it makes sense only if each driver always wants vents pointing at the same place. my preferences change by season, by day, by hour, so needing to go through a screen is a time-loss and annoyance generator, not vice-versa.
  - CrimsonRain 2y ago
    Just tell (use voice) the car which direction you want your air...
- allears 2y ago
  For me there's no set-and-forget-forever setting. Depending on the weather, how I'm dressed, how many other people in the car, whether there's a smelly diesel truck ahead, etc., that's a setting I need to change all the time.
  - bhauer 2y ago
    I guess everyone is different, but what you described absolutely doesn't resonate with me. I never have adjusted my HVAC vents after their initial configuration. Winter, summer, whatever. I always want the air to flow the same way.
    - vel0city 2y ago
      I practically never even adjust the AC. I set the thermostat and it handles itself regardless of if it's 110F or 10F outside.
      - bhauer 2y ago
        Same. That's the beauty of automatic thermostats. They target the temperature you specify automatically. So you specify your favorite temperature once and never interact with them again.
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m463 2y ago

> Apple had bought Tesla lol. I think tesla was copying apple, relentlessly removing without knowing when to stop. Apple has lost its way too in this respect.

samatman 2y ago
I know right? Adding two buttons to the iPhone, an HDMI port and SD slot to the MBP, putting the function key buttons back, when will it end?!
- m463 2y ago
  I have to give credit there, those were actually good moves. lightning too. But I'm still not back in the fold. (and Tesla actually relented twice on the s/x - yoke horn button, plus added back a round steering wheel option)

bhauer 2y ago

> Yes I do prefer analog controls. Dials for heat. Open close flaps for vents. On off switches. Dials and switches can be fully digital (e.g., dials can be free-spinning, without locks at each end of a setting). So preferring dials and switches seems reasonable. But flaps for vents are very difficult to automate. Returning to manual flaps in cars would mean losing modern cars' ability to associate and restore HVAC vent preferences with driver profiles. It would mean returning to the time when it was actually necessary to adjust the HVAC vents every time you swapped drivers. While setting vent preferences on the screen may take a second or two longer than manually setting them, thanks to the setting being associated with my driver profile, it's a set-once-and-forget-forever setting. The net time and annoyance savings is large.

finnh 2y ago
Thanks for explaining something I've never understood. I still think it is silly, tho - it makes sense only if each driver always wants vents pointing at the same place. my preferences change by season, by day, by hour, so needing to go through a screen is a time-loss and annoyance generator, not vice-versa.
- CrimsonRain 2y ago
  Just tell (use voice) the car which direction you want your air...
allears 2y ago
For me there's no set-and-forget-forever setting. Depending on the weather, how I'm dressed, how many other people in the car, whether there's a smelly diesel truck ahead, etc., that's a setting I need to change all the time.
- bhauer 2y ago
  I guess everyone is different, but what you described absolutely doesn't resonate with me. I never have adjusted my HVAC vents after their initial configuration. Winter, summer, whatever. I always want the air to flow the same way.
  - vel0city 2y ago
    I practically never even adjust the AC. I set the thermostat and it handles itself regardless of if it's 110F or 10F outside.
    - bhauer 2y ago
      Same. That's the beauty of automatic thermostats. They target the temperature you specify automatically. So you specify your favorite temperature once and never interact with them again.
2y ago