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> you have to embrace it, so if you choose to stay, I recommend adopting a fresh perspective -- Your old job is over Agree with everything in above post, will

> you have to embrace it, so if you choose to stay, I recommend adopting a fresh perspective -- Your old job is over Agree with everything in above post, will add this: From new director/mgr perspective, he/she wants people that are on board with the mission, which is always success measured by whatever their view is, and frequently their particular experience probably emphasizes some things a previous mgr didn't. Show him/her that you are on board and that your goal is to help that person achieve their vision. You do that by listening and understanding their perspective and making it happen. I once got a new CIO mgr and when I met with him, this is what I told him (at some point during the conversation): "I'm an analytical person and I like to debate the pros and cons of things, so I tend to offer my opinion, but don't mistake that for being an obstructionist, I fully understand and respect the chain of command, once a decision is made I'm on board and just want things to get done successfully."

golly_ned 2y ago
Frankly it seems like he is upset my team wasn’t prioritizing his team. He managed an upstream service that called mine, and called my service out for not meeting our availability SLO — in our case, we host applications, so degraded availability depends in part on application availability, not platform. Instead, we onboarded an entire organization, tripling our request volume and meeting a very strict latency SLO. It was much higher priority than supporting his own platform. Since I have the option to move teams, I will probably do that to stick with my manager even if he ends up being my director anyway. I just don’t want to be leaving over a years work for which I received great praise in a position where it ends up not being appreciated by this new director. I think the big turning point in the conversation was when I expressed doubts about staying on his team. I sensed a few sour grapes statements. I really don’t want to deal with this fallout from the conflict between these directors. It’s unnecessary except for the fact that I now feel like I have to defend myself from this guy.
Onavo 2y ago
> I fully understand and respect the chain of command It's absolutely hilarious how quick HN users are to bend the knee and play politics when the economy is bad. I remember a time when the standard answer would be "fuck the company management and jump ship". Avez-vous perdu votre spine Hacker News?
- petermcneeley 2y ago
  What do you expect of people? Also these are undoubtably not the same people.
- codingdave 2y ago
  wat. When your company re-orgs, finding out what the new strategy is and what the expectations are is not bending a knee. There are absolutely times to stand up for yourself and defy what corporations try to pull, but "They rearranged the management structure" is not one of them.
- ElevenLathe 2y ago
  They write the checks and we do what they tell us. Anything else is a fantasy, not a job.
- bruce511 2y ago
  Firstly, if you are an employee they are paying you to bend the knee and do what they ask. That is the very definition of employment. If you don't like it you can leave. The willingness to dislike it and stay boils down to your options elsewhere. Not surprisingly in a tough job market options elsewhere might be less, resulting in more tolerance for dislike. All of this has nothing to do with spine and everything to do with taking the best option for you. Jumping ship into unemployment in a bad job market isn't a good option. When it comes to company re-orgs, you already have a new job. Mentally and emotionally it helps to treat it as if you just jumped in here.

golly_ned 2y ago

Frankly it seems like he is upset my team wasn’t prioritizing his team. He managed an upstream service that called mine, and called my service out for not meeting our availability SLO — in our case, we host applications, so degraded availability depends in part on application availability, not platform. Instead, we onboarded an entire organization, tripling our request volume and meeting a very strict latency SLO. It was much higher priority than supporting his own platform. Since I have the option to move teams, I will probably do that to stick with my manager even if he ends up being my director anyway. I just don’t want to be leaving over a years work for which I received great praise in a position where it ends up not being appreciated by this new director. I think the big turning point in the conversation was when I expressed doubts about staying on his team. I sensed a few sour grapes statements. I really don’t want to deal with this fallout from the conflict between these directors. It’s unnecessary except for the fact that I now feel like I have to defend myself from this guy.

Onavo 2y ago

> I fully understand and respect the chain of command It's absolutely hilarious how quick HN users are to bend the knee and play politics when the economy is bad. I remember a time when the standard answer would be "fuck the company management and jump ship". Avez-vous perdu votre spine Hacker News?

petermcneeley 2y ago
What do you expect of people? Also these are undoubtably not the same people.
codingdave 2y ago
wat. When your company re-orgs, finding out what the new strategy is and what the expectations are is not bending a knee. There are absolutely times to stand up for yourself and defy what corporations try to pull, but "They rearranged the management structure" is not one of them.
ElevenLathe 2y ago
They write the checks and we do what they tell us. Anything else is a fantasy, not a job.
bruce511 2y ago
Firstly, if you are an employee they are paying you to bend the knee and do what they ask. That is the very definition of employment. If you don't like it you can leave. The willingness to dislike it and stay boils down to your options elsewhere. Not surprisingly in a tough job market options elsewhere might be less, resulting in more tolerance for dislike. All of this has nothing to do with spine and everything to do with taking the best option for you. Jumping ship into unemployment in a bad job market isn't a good option. When it comes to company re-orgs, you already have a new job. Mentally and emotionally it helps to treat it as if you just jumped in here.