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You're leaving out that a good portion of developed countries also offer some form of voting by mail. Some US states have rules in place that dictate any mail-i

by Timon3 2y ago

You're leaving out that a good portion of developed countries also offer some form of voting by mail. Some US states have rules in place that dictate any mail-in ballots can only be counted starting on election day - since they take more time to process (for verification etc.), this creates large delays in individual states. Also the photo ID part is different in the US, since there's no uniform governmental ID that every citizen is expected to have. Minorities are less likely to have such ID compared to non-minorities, and (since minorities are disproportionately more likely to be poor) on average face larger issues acquiring such ID.

wtcactus 2y ago
Vote by mail is completely negligible in countries where the described process works fine.
- Timon3 2y ago
  As an example, in the 2021 election in Germany 47.3% of votes were cast by mail: https://www.destatis.de/EN/Press/2022/01/PE22_036_14.html https://www.destatis.de/EN/Press/2022/01/PE22_036_14.html Are you trying to say that the process doesn't work fine in Germany?
  - wtcactus 2y ago
    I’m arguing it’s not a factor. In Portugal vote by mail is negligible and we get the results late the same night.
    - Timon3 2y ago
      I'm genuinely not sure what you're trying to say. Obviously processing mail-in ballots won't take long if there aren't many. But as I've shown, countries with uncontested elections have many people voting by mail, so unless you're contesting the German elections this by itself isn't suspicious. And since states have rules about when counting is allowed to start, it's also obvious that counting them will finish later. So what is your point?
      - wtcactus 2y ago
        My point is that other developed countries are perfectly able to have a transparent electoral process and present the results in very little time, even doing everything by paper voting. Arguments that you need voting machines, or extensive mail voting, or pre voting, or not check a valid photo ID to be able to carry out the process in due time, are completely against what the reality shows in all other developed countries.
        Timon3 2y ago
        And yet other developed countries are perfectly able to have a transparent electoral process and present the results in very little time, even doing both paper voting and mail-in voting. Why deprive your citizens of mail-in voting when it's not necessary for safe elections? If you remove the laws that make mail-in voting take longer to count, it will not take as long to count. Additionally, you seem to be willfully ignoring the differences regarding photo ID between the US and most other developed countries. Why?

by Timon3 2y ago

wtcactus 2y ago

Vote by mail is completely negligible in countries where the described process works fine.

Timon3 2y ago
As an example, in the 2021 election in Germany 47.3% of votes were cast by mail: https://www.destatis.de/EN/Press/2022/01/PE22_036_14.html https://www.destatis.de/EN/Press/2022/01/PE22_036_14.html Are you trying to say that the process doesn't work fine in Germany?
- wtcactus 2y ago
  I’m arguing it’s not a factor. In Portugal vote by mail is negligible and we get the results late the same night.
  - Timon3 2y ago
    I'm genuinely not sure what you're trying to say. Obviously processing mail-in ballots won't take long if there aren't many. But as I've shown, countries with uncontested elections have many people voting by mail, so unless you're contesting the German elections this by itself isn't suspicious. And since states have rules about when counting is allowed to start, it's also obvious that counting them will finish later. So what is your point?
    - wtcactus 2y ago
      My point is that other developed countries are perfectly able to have a transparent electoral process and present the results in very little time, even doing everything by paper voting. Arguments that you need voting machines, or extensive mail voting, or pre voting, or not check a valid photo ID to be able to carry out the process in due time, are completely against what the reality shows in all other developed countries.
      - Timon3 2y ago
        And yet other developed countries are perfectly able to have a transparent electoral process and present the results in very little time, even doing both paper voting and mail-in voting. Why deprive your citizens of mail-in voting when it's not necessary for safe elections? If you remove the laws that make mail-in voting take longer to count, it will not take as long to count. Additionally, you seem to be willfully ignoring the differences regarding photo ID between the US and most other developed countries. Why?