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> This hypothesis has been tested. Lots of people have spent a lot of time and money on it. We have zero examples. Literally this week: https://www.washingtonp

> This hypothesis has been tested. Lots of people have spent a lot of time and money on it. We have zero examples. Literally this week: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/31/michigan-student-noncitizen-voting-charges-china/6ee3bc1e-97ae-11ef-939a-5dd38bf140e0_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/31/michigan-... > Believing in voter fraud is not quite flat Earth stupid. But it’s close. Blind faith is more like “flat Earth” to me. Does it make sense to have such confidence about every election on the planet? Or is America on a pedestal? Those other countries probably make the same claims about their alleged election integrity. > Also, whose donors do you think hire illegal workers? Who pushes back on strict liability for employers? I would ask to share your sources but why is this even relevant? Voter ID now. Closed borders now. Deportation for illegal immigrants now. No one buys the weird excuses conjured up by untrustworthy politicians and activists on this issue, not even them. It is clear who this status quo favors.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Literally this week N != 0, it’s less than 1/10^8 over multiple cycles. Which means zero examples in modern America of a national election being stolen through fraud. > Blind faith To the degree there is blind faith in this discussion it’s from the election deniers. Polls are heavily scrutinised by not only multiple layers of government, but also various outside groups, including the campaigns, as well as international bodies. One has to assume widespread conspiracy across those groups—and then be too lazy to observe a poll oneself—to conclude fraud. Not only forward looking, but worse, backward looking given the millions of dollars spent on hand recounting ballots in e.g. Arizona. > Voter ID now I vote in a state with a voter ID requirement. Maybe those who think these laws do something didn’t go to college. I can’t think of any other reason for the widespread amnesia around the prevalence and accessibility of fake IDs. (And you could vote with a cheap one, too. Nobody checks if they scan.) > Closed borders now. Deportation for illegal immigrants now About as relevant to election security as abortion and speed limits.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Literally this week N != 0, it’s less than 1/10^8 over multiple cycles. Which means zero examples in modern America of a national election being stolen through fraud. > Blind faith To the degree there is blind faith in this discussion it’s from the election deniers. Polls are heavily scrutinised by not only multiple layers of government, but also various outside groups, including the campaigns, as well as international bodies. One has to assume widespread conspiracy across those groups—and then be too lazy to observe a poll oneself—to conclude fraud. Not only forward looking, but worse, backward looking given the millions of dollars spent on hand recounting ballots in e.g. Arizona. > Voter ID now I vote in a state with a voter ID requirement. Maybe those who think these laws do something didn’t go to college. I can’t think of any other reason for the widespread amnesia around the prevalence and accessibility of fake IDs. (And you could vote with a cheap one, too. Nobody checks if they scan.) > Closed borders now. Deportation for illegal immigrants now About as relevant to election security as abortion and speed limits.