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For tournaments, I like the Swiss system [1], which I believe is popular in chess. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss-system_tournament https://en.wikipe

by palata 2y ago

For tournaments, I like the Swiss system [1], which I believe is popular in chess. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss-system_tournament https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss-system_tournament

jldugger 2y ago
It's also common in Magic and other card game tournaments, but slightly modified: "6 rounds of swiss, cut to top 8 the single elimination" is a common sight.
zeroq 2y ago
Fun fact - our local community recently started playing billiards tournaments using a swiss system and it's really cool, but it's a tradeoff between fairness and the amount of players you can invite to a tournament. The swiss variants play at max 40 players with 6 rounds, but if you want to invite 100+ players then you have to run a 2KO ladder, otherwise the tournament would last a week. EDIT: The best part of swiss system is it's the best value for money, because you will play throughtout the whole tournament despite your results, and while you progress the opponenets will adjust to your level, so you can have fun no matter what.
- GuB-42 2y ago
  The problem is that a billiard is a big, expensive piece of equipment, and you are limited by your venue. In chess, you only need a chessboard, which is cheap, and a table. In collectible card games like Magic: The Gathering, it is even simpler as people bring their own cards, so all you need is the table. For a LAN party, people usually bring their own computer and they have a spot for the entire event, so having everyone play at the same time is trivial.
lucb1e 2y ago
From a quick read, after a first round where you play another team at random or so, in each round players are "sorted according to their cumulative scores and [play against] opponents with the same or similar score". At the same time, it avoids having to play the same opponent twice. I don't see how one decides how many rounds to play, but not sure if that detail matters Reading the analysis section, this is how it compares to a knock-out tournament: > Assuming no drawn games, determining a clear winner [requires] the same number of rounds as that of a knockout tournament [...] Compared to a knockout tournament, a Swiss system has the advantage of not eliminating anyone [and] that the final ranking gives some indication of the relative strengths of all contestants, not just of the tournament winner. [However,] sometimes a player has such a great lead that by the last round they are assured of winning the tournament [such that it] does not always end with the exciting climax
- palata 2y ago
  Chess tournaments I've participated in had 7 rounds. The swiss system is really cool because it is a kind of sorting algorithm, where players quickly end up confronting players their level. So if you're a beginner, you still get to play to get a better ranking (instead of "whatever, I won't win anyway").

by palata 2y ago

For tournaments, I like the Swiss system [1], which I believe is popular in chess. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss-system_tournament https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss-system_tournament

jldugger 2y ago

It's also common in Magic and other card game tournaments, but slightly modified: "6 rounds of swiss, cut to top 8 the single elimination" is a common sight.

zeroq 2y ago

Fun fact - our local community recently started playing billiards tournaments using a swiss system and it's really cool, but it's a tradeoff between fairness and the amount of players you can invite to a tournament. The swiss variants play at max 40 players with 6 rounds, but if you want to invite 100+ players then you have to run a 2KO ladder, otherwise the tournament would last a week. EDIT: The best part of swiss system is it's the best value for money, because you will play throughtout the whole tournament despite your results, and while you progress the opponenets will adjust to your level, so you can have fun no matter what.

GuB-42 2y ago
The problem is that a billiard is a big, expensive piece of equipment, and you are limited by your venue. In chess, you only need a chessboard, which is cheap, and a table. In collectible card games like Magic: The Gathering, it is even simpler as people bring their own cards, so all you need is the table. For a LAN party, people usually bring their own computer and they have a spot for the entire event, so having everyone play at the same time is trivial.

lucb1e 2y ago

From a quick read, after a first round where you play another team at random or so, in each round players are "sorted according to their cumulative scores and [play against] opponents with the same or similar score". At the same time, it avoids having to play the same opponent twice. I don't see how one decides how many rounds to play, but not sure if that detail matters Reading the analysis section, this is how it compares to a knock-out tournament: > Assuming no drawn games, determining a clear winner [requires] the same number of rounds as that of a knockout tournament [...] Compared to a knockout tournament, a Swiss system has the advantage of not eliminating anyone [and] that the final ranking gives some indication of the relative strengths of all contestants, not just of the tournament winner. [However,] sometimes a player has such a great lead that by the last round they are assured of winning the tournament [such that it] does not always end with the exciting climax

palata 2y ago
Chess tournaments I've participated in had 7 rounds. The swiss system is really cool because it is a kind of sorting algorithm, where players quickly end up confronting players their level. So if you're a beginner, you still get to play to get a better ranking (instead of "whatever, I won't win anyway").