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The battery life of a human is 6-8 hours. Those pesky humans also want "rights". Takes a long time to make a new human too. So that's the competition.

by drooby 2y ago

exe34 2y ago
you can also swap out batteries for the robots
- fragmede 2y ago
  this robot has arms and legs and apparently some measure of autonomy now as well. It can change it's own batteries! Which, humans do at least once a day, among tending to other biological needs as well. So the question is what's a useful run time if there's a bank of swappable batteries it can run back to refill from? Even if it had to go and swap batteries every two hours, for a factory robot that wouldn't be insurmountable.
recursive 2y ago
> The battery life of a human is 6-8 hours. So that's the competition. How many naps are you taking? Normal uptime is at least 16 hours. In special circumstances, much more is possible. I'd be amazed if the robots are more than 2. Slightly surprised if they're over 1. It's not exactly comparable.
- criley2 2y ago
  Humans have an uptime of 16 hours, but generally speaking can only operate professionally for an 8 hour span. The other 8 hours are spent mostly doing personal maintenance and refueling their physical and mental capabilities. Oh, and humans have traditionally banded together to punish those who ask for more than 8 hours a day or 5 days a week, and have even historically gotten very murdery over the subject. Buyer beware!
  - recursive 2y ago
    The comparison does get kind of non-sensical. How much PTO does the robot use? Are they a culture fit? Do they have any insights for process improvement? If robots can replace humans for the most monotonous tasks, I'm all for it, as long as it doesn't hurt living conditions for those humans. But all these robots are only shown to us in very carefully controlled conditions. If a human was doing what we saw this robot doing in a factory, they'd probably get disciplined unless they increased their speed by 400%. This is state of the art, I presume. Maybe this kind of thing will be useful some day, but it feels like that day is a long way off.
    - fragmede 2y ago
      Definitely controlled, but a pole to the "chest" of Atlas shows it's relatively stable on its feet and capable of recovery, though we have no idea how many takes that took. As far as speed, it depends on what the limitations are. We know electric motors in general are capable of moving faster, so presumably the limits are with computation, to which I'd point out that Moore's law is still hanging on. Compared to Honda's Asimo in 2000 BD's Atlas robot in 2016 was nothing short of phenomenal progress, but that took 16 years. Hopefully it doesn't take another 16, but we'll see. Once there are useful commercially available humanoid robots on the market, progress is likely to accelerate.
    - novok 2y ago
      If the compute needed is linear, then 4x means it's not far off. I would foresee it in a decade. This speed is also fast enough for household robots as it is.
    - devvvvvvv 2y ago
      > as long as it doesn't hurt living conditions for those humans Literally how would it not? Losing your job hurts your living condition, it's not like the warehouse workers will just be given cushier tasks.
      - recursive 2y ago
        I don't pretend to know all the effects of automation. The industrial revolution seems like it turned out OK.
the__alchemist 2y ago
I do not think you'll get anything close to that with these robots.
mr_toad 2y ago
> Those pesky humans also want "rights". Yep, you’re not allowed to own them, only rent them. And there’s no right to repair if you have a defective unit.
- echoangle 2y ago
  But the units actively want to repair themselves, that has to be better than right to repair, right?

The battery life of a human is 6-8 hours. Those pesky humans also want "rights". Takes a long time to make a new human too. So that's the competition.

by drooby 2y ago

The battery life of a human is 6-8 hours. Those pesky humans also want "rights". Takes a long time to make a new human too. So that's the competition.

exe34 2y ago

you can also swap out batteries for the robots

fragmede 2y ago
this robot has arms and legs and apparently some measure of autonomy now as well. It can change it's own batteries! Which, humans do at least once a day, among tending to other biological needs as well. So the question is what's a useful run time if there's a bank of swappable batteries it can run back to refill from? Even if it had to go and swap batteries every two hours, for a factory robot that wouldn't be insurmountable.

recursive 2y ago

> The battery life of a human is 6-8 hours. So that's the competition. How many naps are you taking? Normal uptime is at least 16 hours. In special circumstances, much more is possible. I'd be amazed if the robots are more than 2. Slightly surprised if they're over 1. It's not exactly comparable.

criley2 2y ago
Humans have an uptime of 16 hours, but generally speaking can only operate professionally for an 8 hour span. The other 8 hours are spent mostly doing personal maintenance and refueling their physical and mental capabilities. Oh, and humans have traditionally banded together to punish those who ask for more than 8 hours a day or 5 days a week, and have even historically gotten very murdery over the subject. Buyer beware!
- recursive 2y ago
  The comparison does get kind of non-sensical. How much PTO does the robot use? Are they a culture fit? Do they have any insights for process improvement? If robots can replace humans for the most monotonous tasks, I'm all for it, as long as it doesn't hurt living conditions for those humans. But all these robots are only shown to us in very carefully controlled conditions. If a human was doing what we saw this robot doing in a factory, they'd probably get disciplined unless they increased their speed by 400%. This is state of the art, I presume. Maybe this kind of thing will be useful some day, but it feels like that day is a long way off.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    Definitely controlled, but a pole to the "chest" of Atlas shows it's relatively stable on its feet and capable of recovery, though we have no idea how many takes that took. As far as speed, it depends on what the limitations are. We know electric motors in general are capable of moving faster, so presumably the limits are with computation, to which I'd point out that Moore's law is still hanging on. Compared to Honda's Asimo in 2000 BD's Atlas robot in 2016 was nothing short of phenomenal progress, but that took 16 years. Hopefully it doesn't take another 16, but we'll see. Once there are useful commercially available humanoid robots on the market, progress is likely to accelerate.
  - novok 2y ago
    If the compute needed is linear, then 4x means it's not far off. I would foresee it in a decade. This speed is also fast enough for household robots as it is.
  - devvvvvvv 2y ago
    > as long as it doesn't hurt living conditions for those humans Literally how would it not? Losing your job hurts your living condition, it's not like the warehouse workers will just be given cushier tasks.
    - recursive 2y ago
      I don't pretend to know all the effects of automation. The industrial revolution seems like it turned out OK.

the__alchemist 2y ago

I do not think you'll get anything close to that with these robots.

mr_toad 2y ago

> Those pesky humans also want "rights". Yep, you’re not allowed to own them, only rent them. And there’s no right to repair if you have a defective unit.

echoangle 2y ago
But the units actively want to repair themselves, that has to be better than right to repair, right?