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I’ve never heard of any Democratic party leaders talk about stripping citizenship. Did I miss something?

by archagon 2y ago

AnimalMuppet 2y ago
For that matter, I haven't heard any Republican party leaders taking about stripping Musk's citizenship, either.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > I haven't heard any Republican party leaders taking about stripping Musk's citizenship, either DHS established a "denaturalisation task force" in 2018. Stripping Americans of citizenship
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    Sure. Did they (or anyone) say they were going to strip Musk of citizenship? (al_borland's original claim was specifically about Musk's citizenship, not citizenship in general.)
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      No, nobody real is talking about taking Musk’s citizenship. Hell, he hasn’t even lost his security clearance. Those are granted on the basis of executive order. It’s at the pleasure of the President. Nobody is going after Musk.
  - Zigurd 2y ago
    That was a trump campaign promise. Apparently they 10X'ed denaturalizations. So, I'd say that's in play.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> I’ve never heard of any Democratic party leaders talk about stripping citizenship Fair enough, no leadership to my knowledge.
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
Why would they talk about it? They’re the main beneficiaries of illegal immigration and its effects on long term voting outcomes.
- archagon 2y ago
  In what ways are they the beneficiaries of illegal immigration? Illegal immigrants don’t vote, and their descendants are often conservative.
  - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
    A nonzero number of illegal immigrants do vote. I don’t know if there is data on how often (my guess is it is rare). But when it is caught, the vote remains counted. As for descendants, they vote mostly for democrats. I don’t have a source on hand but I’m sure it is easy to find. You can also look at data by ethnicity instead of immigration status to get an idea. Also this skews other parts of the political process, outside of the presidency.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > nonzero number of illegal immigrants do vote This hypothesis has been tested. Lots of people have spent a lot of time and money on it. We have zero examples. The only voter fraud we have found is right wing idiots who don’t understand the electoral college. Believing in voter fraud is not quite flat Earth stupid. But it’s close. > As for descendants, they vote mostly for democrats Racial depolarisation is the term you’re looking for. Young single men vote Trump. Also, whose donors do you think hire illegal workers? Who pushes back on strict liability for employers?
      - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
        > This hypothesis has been tested. Lots of people have spent a lot of time and money on it. We have zero examples. Literally this week: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/31/michigan-student-noncitizen-voting-charges-china/6ee3bc1e-97ae-11ef-939a-5dd38bf140e0_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/31/michigan-... > Believing in voter fraud is not quite flat Earth stupid. But it’s close. Blind faith is more like “flat Earth” to me. Does it make sense to have such confidence about every election on the planet? Or is America on a pedestal? Those other countries probably make the same claims about their alleged election integrity. > Also, whose donors do you think hire illegal workers? Who pushes back on strict liability for employers? I would ask to share your sources but why is this even relevant? Voter ID now. Closed borders now. Deportation for illegal immigrants now. No one buys the weird excuses conjured up by untrustworthy politicians and activists on this issue, not even them. It is clear who this status quo favors.

I’ve never heard of any Democratic party leaders talk about stripping citizenship. Did I miss something?

AnimalMuppet 2y ago

For that matter, I haven't heard any Republican party leaders taking about stripping Musk's citizenship, either.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> I haven't heard any Republican party leaders taking about stripping Musk's citizenship, either DHS established a "denaturalisation task force" in 2018. Stripping Americans of citizenship
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  Sure. Did they (or anyone) say they were going to strip Musk of citizenship? (al_borland's original claim was specifically about Musk's citizenship, not citizenship in general.)
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    No, nobody real is talking about taking Musk’s citizenship. Hell, he hasn’t even lost his security clearance. Those are granted on the basis of executive order. It’s at the pleasure of the President. Nobody is going after Musk.
- Zigurd 2y ago
  That was a trump campaign promise. Apparently they 10X'ed denaturalizations. So, I'd say that's in play.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> I’ve never heard of any Democratic party leaders talk about stripping citizenship Fair enough, no leadership to my knowledge.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

Why would they talk about it? They’re the main beneficiaries of illegal immigration and its effects on long term voting outcomes.

archagon 2y ago
In what ways are they the beneficiaries of illegal immigration? Illegal immigrants don’t vote, and their descendants are often conservative.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  A nonzero number of illegal immigrants do vote. I don’t know if there is data on how often (my guess is it is rare). But when it is caught, the vote remains counted. As for descendants, they vote mostly for democrats. I don’t have a source on hand but I’m sure it is easy to find. You can also look at data by ethnicity instead of immigration status to get an idea. Also this skews other parts of the political process, outside of the presidency.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > nonzero number of illegal immigrants do vote This hypothesis has been tested. Lots of people have spent a lot of time and money on it. We have zero examples. The only voter fraud we have found is right wing idiots who don’t understand the electoral college. Believing in voter fraud is not quite flat Earth stupid. But it’s close. > As for descendants, they vote mostly for democrats Racial depolarisation is the term you’re looking for. Young single men vote Trump. Also, whose donors do you think hire illegal workers? Who pushes back on strict liability for employers?
    - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
      > This hypothesis has been tested. Lots of people have spent a lot of time and money on it. We have zero examples. Literally this week: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/31/michigan-student-noncitizen-voting-charges-china/6ee3bc1e-97ae-11ef-939a-5dd38bf140e0_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/31/michigan-... > Believing in voter fraud is not quite flat Earth stupid. But it’s close. Blind faith is more like “flat Earth” to me. Does it make sense to have such confidence about every election on the planet? Or is America on a pedestal? Those other countries probably make the same claims about their alleged election integrity. > Also, whose donors do you think hire illegal workers? Who pushes back on strict liability for employers? I would ask to share your sources but why is this even relevant? Voter ID now. Closed borders now. Deportation for illegal immigrants now. No one buys the weird excuses conjured up by untrustworthy politicians and activists on this issue, not even them. It is clear who this status quo favors.