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Musk Could Have US Citizenship Revoked If He Lied on Immigration Forms

30 points by belter 2y ago

h2odragon 2y ago
Will WIRED be advocating the same penalty for everyone who has violated this law? Odd that they've never turned this up before now, in all their previous reporting on Musk and his enterprises.
- belter 2y ago
  They are not advocating, they are reporting. Don't blame the messenger.
- bmitc 2y ago
  Are others violating this law having such an outsized influence on U.S. politics? Here, you have an illegal immigrant who has built multiple companies on the backs of billions of dollars of taxpayer money and uses it to spread misinformation, and you don't see a problem with that? It's basically terrorism.
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  - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
    > Here, you have an illegal immigrant He immigrated legally. The issue is that he did some work while he was on a student visa, which is a dumb minor technicality if it is even true. It’s not the outright illegal immigration that is enabled by one party, which is a far bigger influence on US politics. > who has built multiple companies on the backs of billions of dollars of taxpayer money Taxpayers got way more than they expected. Obviously. > and uses it to spread misinformation Musk has done more to restore free speech than anyone else in years and that is a threat to you. So now come labels like “misinformation”. > It's basically terrorism Get a grip.
    - archagon 2y ago
      > It’s not the outright illegal immigration that is enabled by one party, which is a far bigger influence on US politics. “Republicans kill border bill in a sign of Trump's strength and McConnell's waning influence”: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna137477 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna137477
      - leereeves 2y ago
        Calling that a border bill is a bit dishonest. It was a $118 billion bill with only $20B in funding for border security, with restrictions on immigration that wouldn't even trigger until 5000 people each day (i.e. most border crossers) had been processed the same way they are processed now. In short, it would have changed very little.
  - azornathogron 2y ago
    I'm no fan of Musk. However, building companies is generally considered to be a good thing. Doing it with taxpayer money is only bad if it's somehow fraudulent - if you make a company and get a government contract and you actually fulfill that contract, that's neutral or good. Spreading misinformation is definitely bad, but I don't think I'd class it as terrorism. Regardless, I don't see any chance of the US throwing Musk out.
bmitc 2y ago
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- kernal 2y ago
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netsharc 2y ago
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- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  How many other immigrants are deported for working on a student visa? Is there even one other example in the history of the US of one being denaturalized 30 years after the fact? Your sentiment would make sense if these things were widely enforce and Musk was an exception, but that simply isn't the case.
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
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- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > lawfare from one side has become Bad laws are weaponised by both sides. The problem is bad laws. Not Trump threatening to arrest his enemies under 18th-century sedition laws or Biden having the theoretical power to denaturalise Musk. Also, Musk maintains a security clearance—an instrument granted at the pleasure of the President—so it’s a bit silly to be conspiracy theorising about denaturalisation.
  - leereeves 2y ago
    > Bad laws are weaponised by both sides. I'm genuinely curious, can you cite a few examples of the Republicans weaponizing the law against Democrats? If they exist I'd like to know about them. > Trump threatening to arrest his enemies under 18th-century sedition laws Are you referring to his proposal to deport illegal immigrants? It's quite a stretch to compare that to prosecuting political opponents. It's also not arrest, it's simply sending them to their original homes.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > can you cite a few examples of the Republicans weaponizing the law against Democrats? Every corrupt county clerk and fake elector scheme in the last election. Currently, Virginia striking voters from the rolls last minute [1]. Under Trump, conditioning disaster aid on politics [2]. > Are you referring to his proposal to deport illegal immigrants? No, to his "enemy within" proposals and promise to prosecute his political opponents [3]. [1] https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-virginia-voter-registration-purge-ba3d785d9d2d169d9c02207a42893757 https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-virginia-voter-regi... [2] https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/03/helene-trump-politics-natural-disaster-00182419 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/03/helene-trump-politi... [3] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-threats-prosecute-opponents-election-workers-google-2024-10-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-threats-prosecute-op...
al_borland 2y ago
He paid $11B in taxes in 2022, from what I could find. I don't see the US activity working to give that up, which would also send his multiple companies, some of which the government regularly does contracts with, to some other country. If they were to revoke it, I'm sure it would be a technicality and they'd give it right back to him.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
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  - belter 2y ago
    Maybe they are just following Musk recommendation: "People who entered the country illegally should not be allowed to stay" - https://youtu.be/ZMQ2r3ofn80?t=3 https://youtu.be/ZMQ2r3ofn80?t=3
    - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
      He entered legally. He had a valid student visa. The allegation is that he worked while on his student visa, which is a restriction that does not really make sense anyways. Regardless, the point about stopping illegal immigration is that we want skilled workers who contribute to society to stay, and we want to know who is entering so you don’t have bad actors like cartel members or CCP spies coming in. Obviously, Elon Musk has contributed more than virtually every other American and is a good actor. > Even if USCIS had solid evidence that Musk had broken the law, it would, experts say, not handle the matter administratively, but rather could refer it to a US attorney’s office. Prosecutors, who have broad discretion to take up or decline cases, could then proceed, or not, as they saw fit. Most US attorneys were appointed by Biden. So if they take this case up, it will be another obvious example of authoritarian lawfare.
      - slater 2y ago
        > Obviously, Elon Musk has contributed more than virtually every other American and is a good actor Are you taking part in a "most citations needed in one sentence" competition?
belter 2y ago
Musk brother: "We were illegal immigrants." Musk: "it was a gray area" while laughing. Musk brother: “We WERE illegal immigrants.” https://x.com/citizenwillis/status/1850232195476046198 https://x.com/citizenwillis/status/1850232195476046198
- belter 2y ago
  https://youtu.be/ZMQ2r3ofn80?t=3 https://youtu.be/ZMQ2r3ofn80?t=3 https://youtu.be/kCKPYxnHUYI?t=1305 https://youtu.be/kCKPYxnHUYI?t=1305
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30 points by belter 2y ago

Will WIRED be advocating the same penalty for everyone who has violated this law? Odd that they've never turned this up before now, in all their previous reporting on Musk and his enterprises.

belter 2y ago
They are not advocating, they are reporting. Don't blame the messenger.
bmitc 2y ago
Are others violating this law having such an outsized influence on U.S. politics? Here, you have an illegal immigrant who has built multiple companies on the backs of billions of dollars of taxpayer money and uses it to spread misinformation, and you don't see a problem with that? It's basically terrorism.
- deleted 2y ago
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- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  > Here, you have an illegal immigrant He immigrated legally. The issue is that he did some work while he was on a student visa, which is a dumb minor technicality if it is even true. It’s not the outright illegal immigration that is enabled by one party, which is a far bigger influence on US politics. > who has built multiple companies on the backs of billions of dollars of taxpayer money Taxpayers got way more than they expected. Obviously. > and uses it to spread misinformation Musk has done more to restore free speech than anyone else in years and that is a threat to you. So now come labels like “misinformation”. > It's basically terrorism Get a grip.
  - archagon 2y ago
    > It’s not the outright illegal immigration that is enabled by one party, which is a far bigger influence on US politics. “Republicans kill border bill in a sign of Trump's strength and McConnell's waning influence”: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna137477 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna137477
    - leereeves 2y ago
      Calling that a border bill is a bit dishonest. It was a $118 billion bill with only $20B in funding for border security, with restrictions on immigration that wouldn't even trigger until 5000 people each day (i.e. most border crossers) had been processed the same way they are processed now. In short, it would have changed very little.
- azornathogron 2y ago
  I'm no fan of Musk. However, building companies is generally considered to be a good thing. Doing it with taxpayer money is only bad if it's somehow fraudulent - if you make a company and get a government contract and you actually fulfill that contract, that's neutral or good. Spreading misinformation is definitely bad, but I don't think I'd class it as terrorism. Regardless, I don't see any chance of the US throwing Musk out.

bmitc 2y ago

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kernal 2y ago
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s1artibartfast 2y ago
How many other immigrants are deported for working on a student visa? Is there even one other example in the history of the US of one being denaturalized 30 years after the fact? Your sentiment would make sense if these things were widely enforce and Musk was an exception, but that simply isn't the case.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

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JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> lawfare from one side has become Bad laws are weaponised by both sides. The problem is bad laws. Not Trump threatening to arrest his enemies under 18th-century sedition laws or Biden having the theoretical power to denaturalise Musk. Also, Musk maintains a security clearance—an instrument granted at the pleasure of the President—so it’s a bit silly to be conspiracy theorising about denaturalisation.
- leereeves 2y ago
  > Bad laws are weaponised by both sides. I'm genuinely curious, can you cite a few examples of the Republicans weaponizing the law against Democrats? If they exist I'd like to know about them. > Trump threatening to arrest his enemies under 18th-century sedition laws Are you referring to his proposal to deport illegal immigrants? It's quite a stretch to compare that to prosecuting political opponents. It's also not arrest, it's simply sending them to their original homes.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > can you cite a few examples of the Republicans weaponizing the law against Democrats? Every corrupt county clerk and fake elector scheme in the last election. Currently, Virginia striking voters from the rolls last minute [1]. Under Trump, conditioning disaster aid on politics [2]. > Are you referring to his proposal to deport illegal immigrants? No, to his "enemy within" proposals and promise to prosecute his political opponents [3]. [1] https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-virginia-voter-registration-purge-ba3d785d9d2d169d9c02207a42893757 https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-virginia-voter-regi... [2] https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/03/helene-trump-politics-natural-disaster-00182419 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/03/helene-trump-politi... [3] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-threats-prosecute-opponents-election-workers-google-2024-10-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-threats-prosecute-op...

al_borland 2y ago

He paid $11B in taxes in 2022, from what I could find. I don't see the US activity working to give that up, which would also send his multiple companies, some of which the government regularly does contracts with, to some other country. If they were to revoke it, I'm sure it would be a technicality and they'd give it right back to him.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
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- belter 2y ago
  Maybe they are just following Musk recommendation: "People who entered the country illegally should not be allowed to stay" - https://youtu.be/ZMQ2r3ofn80?t=3 https://youtu.be/ZMQ2r3ofn80?t=3
  - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
    He entered legally. He had a valid student visa. The allegation is that he worked while on his student visa, which is a restriction that does not really make sense anyways. Regardless, the point about stopping illegal immigration is that we want skilled workers who contribute to society to stay, and we want to know who is entering so you don’t have bad actors like cartel members or CCP spies coming in. Obviously, Elon Musk has contributed more than virtually every other American and is a good actor. > Even if USCIS had solid evidence that Musk had broken the law, it would, experts say, not handle the matter administratively, but rather could refer it to a US attorney’s office. Prosecutors, who have broad discretion to take up or decline cases, could then proceed, or not, as they saw fit. Most US attorneys were appointed by Biden. So if they take this case up, it will be another obvious example of authoritarian lawfare.
    - slater 2y ago
      > Obviously, Elon Musk has contributed more than virtually every other American and is a good actor Are you taking part in a "most citations needed in one sentence" competition?

belter 2y ago

Musk brother: "We were illegal immigrants." Musk: "it was a gray area" while laughing. Musk brother: “We WERE illegal immigrants.” https://x.com/citizenwillis/status/1850232195476046198 https://x.com/citizenwillis/status/1850232195476046198

belter 2y ago
https://youtu.be/ZMQ2r3ofn80?t=3 https://youtu.be/ZMQ2r3ofn80?t=3 https://youtu.be/kCKPYxnHUYI?t=1305 https://youtu.be/kCKPYxnHUYI?t=1305

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