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defrost 2y ago
Is the implication here that you don't think testing vaccines is a good idea?
- mentalically 2y ago
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  - defrost 2y ago
    FWiW this wasn't "medical experimentation" by the medical establishment or any routine research lab, this was entirely the work of a single individual who gave themselves consent to take multiple vaccines.
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      - defrost 2y ago
        > which is why I asked for his credentials on medicine and ethics, . In the absence of such credentials a rigorous essay on the matter would also have been sufficient Who made you the arbitrar of such things? You come across as someone engaging in bad faith. There's a wealth of pre existing discussion on the ethics of trials and many many places about the globe that conduct trials, paid trials even. (eg: https://trials.linear.org.au/ https://trials.linear.org.au/) It's not difficult to access ethical philosphers discussing the matter, nor is it difficult to read essays by practicing epidemiologists and others. Do you have a specific problem with paid clinical trials of novel vaccines?
        mentalically 2y ago
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      - NavinF 2y ago
        1. I've participated in clinical trials in the US. Not covid, but drug trials in an MRI machine. 2. If someone wants funding to do an experiment like the one described in the article I'll gladly throw $1,000 in the pot. So will many engineers. There's nothing you can do about this. 3. If you put this on a ballot, I'll vote to spend billions of dollars paying people to test medical treatments. This includes challenge trials. Small price for a large reward. I don't need any credentials to advocate for policies that benefit everyone. btw I answered your question but you didn't answer mine: Are you a doctor or an ethicists or just a regular armchair philosopher?
        mentalically 2y ago
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        NavinF 2y ago
        I literally explained that I did in #1. Answer my question Edit: This is my crowd funding offer, I have no idea what this guy is talking about. My email is in my profile lol.
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yawpitch 2y ago
Self-experimentation… it doesn’t take long form writing (or any other disingenuous appeals to authority) to realize that the only serious ethical question is on whether or not it was ethical for the hyper-consenting self-experimenter to consume 216 doses more than necessary. Once they’d done so anyway it would be less-than-ethical for any medical scientist who knew of it to not document their work and its outcomes.
- mentalically 2y ago
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Is the implication here that you don't think testing vaccines is a good idea?

mentalically 2y ago
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- defrost 2y ago
  FWiW this wasn't "medical experimentation" by the medical establishment or any routine research lab, this was entirely the work of a single individual who gave themselves consent to take multiple vaccines.
  - mentalically 2y ago
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    - defrost 2y ago
      > which is why I asked for his credentials on medicine and ethics, . In the absence of such credentials a rigorous essay on the matter would also have been sufficient Who made you the arbitrar of such things? You come across as someone engaging in bad faith. There's a wealth of pre existing discussion on the ethics of trials and many many places about the globe that conduct trials, paid trials even. (eg: https://trials.linear.org.au/ https://trials.linear.org.au/) It's not difficult to access ethical philosphers discussing the matter, nor is it difficult to read essays by practicing epidemiologists and others. Do you have a specific problem with paid clinical trials of novel vaccines?
      - mentalically 2y ago
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    - NavinF 2y ago
      1. I've participated in clinical trials in the US. Not covid, but drug trials in an MRI machine. 2. If someone wants funding to do an experiment like the one described in the article I'll gladly throw $1,000 in the pot. So will many engineers. There's nothing you can do about this. 3. If you put this on a ballot, I'll vote to spend billions of dollars paying people to test medical treatments. This includes challenge trials. Small price for a large reward. I don't need any credentials to advocate for policies that benefit everyone. btw I answered your question but you didn't answer mine: Are you a doctor or an ethicists or just a regular armchair philosopher?
      - mentalically 2y ago
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        NavinF 2y ago
        I literally explained that I did in #1. Answer my question Edit: This is my crowd funding offer, I have no idea what this guy is talking about. My email is in my profile lol.
        mentalically 2y ago
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Self-experimentation… it doesn’t take long form writing (or any other disingenuous appeals to authority) to realize that the only serious ethical question is on whether or not it was ethical for the hyper-consenting self-experimenter to consume 216 doses more than necessary. Once they’d done so anyway it would be less-than-ethical for any medical scientist who knew of it to not document their work and its outcomes.

mentalically 2y ago
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