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October 30 – Reflections on the Day the Earth Moved for H5N1

52 points by ctoth 2y ago

spockz 2y ago
Strains jumping from one type of animal to another sounds very critical to me. How concerned should we be? The article ends with the rollout on testing milk/dairy. Does that mean the jump isn’t that worrisome or just that both the jump and the number of dairy cows affected is now so large that we need to take action? Unfortunately this seems like one of those critical things that could be totally snowed under or worse derailed by next weeks events.
- Buttons840 2y ago
  Article seems to say that the pig was infected by birds; it wasn't the same strain as cows.
  - spockz 2y ago
    Exactly. So it was another avian strain that migrated to pigs and that for the first time. That seems to be why it is so serious.
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  The article recognizes the jump as very worrisome, but it's also a new development. Milk/dairy infections have apparently been happening for some time now; per quoted headlines: > Utah reported that 8 dairy herds in Cache County were bulk tank positive for H5N1, tested as a result of a B3.13-infected layer flock. Utah is the 15th state with confirmed infections in the U.S. > California reported another 5 B3.13-infected dairy herds with the count as of yesterday standing at 193 (of approximately 400 nationally confirmed infected herds) The testing is a consequence of that situation.
sva_ 2y ago
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- olivermuty 2y ago
  Considering the complete 180 and sudden viability and admission of supression around the lab leak theory in Wuhan I can 100% see why lableak conspiracy is going over level 9000 for any such thing now :D I have not done any kind of research into if the Wuhan lableak story is true or not, but the admitted supression by the govt has made sure I cannot trust any kind of conclusion around it.
  - yawpitch 2y ago
    Exactly why would a government not suppress a conspiracy theory? More importantly, why would you trust any government that didn’t at least attempt to suppress conspiracy theories?
    - dhfuuvyvtt 2y ago
      Because they keep turning out to be true?
      - arcanemachiner 2y ago
        Just the true ones.
      - TeMPOraL 2y ago
        Name three.
    - ekianjo 2y ago
      Since when is the government supposed to suppress anything?
      - sokoloff 2y ago
        I don’t mind if the government tries to suppress the ideas that the Earth is flat, that birds aren’t real, that the moon landings were faked, that the four elements are air, water, earth, and fire, etc. We sometimes call that education.
Buttons840 2y ago
CDC page about the outbreak referred to in this post: https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/index.html Says: > H5 bird flu is widespread in wild birds worldwide and is causing outbreaks in poultry and U.S. dairy cows with several recent human cases in U.S. dairy and poultry workers. > While the current public health risk is low, CDC is watching the situation carefully and working with states to monitor people with animal exposures. > CDC is using its flu surveillance systems to monitor for H5 bird flu activity in people.
dehrmann 2y ago
I'm a bit annoyed that we could stop this cold with a vaccine that sorta already exists, but didn't because we thought it was low-risk. It might be, or it might be a repeat of the big nothing that was H1N1 in 2009, but flu shots are cheap, so I'd rather pay $50 and not take the risk.
- coffeebeqn 2y ago
  Any action that requires most of the human population to do or receive something is certainly not easy or cheap or uncomplicated
- dist-epoch 2y ago
  Flu shots are much less effective than you think, the average across all ages is below 50%.
  - avidphantasm 2y ago
    Yeah but if H5N1 strains have a high fatality rate, a 50% effective vaccine is a big deal.
    - dist-epoch 2y ago
      Of course, but parent is saying we shouldn't worry about H5N1 because a vaccine exists...
wkndul 2y ago
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BobbyTables2 2y ago
Caught a flu from a sparrow that got into my house in 2009. Worst cold/fever I’ve ever had in my life. People joke about birds not being real. The Flu is REAL.

52 points by ctoth 2y ago

Strains jumping from one type of animal to another sounds very critical to me. How concerned should we be? The article ends with the rollout on testing milk/dairy. Does that mean the jump isn’t that worrisome or just that both the jump and the number of dairy cows affected is now so large that we need to take action? Unfortunately this seems like one of those critical things that could be totally snowed under or worse derailed by next weeks events.

Buttons840 2y ago
Article seems to say that the pig was infected by birds; it wasn't the same strain as cows.
- spockz 2y ago
  Exactly. So it was another avian strain that migrated to pigs and that for the first time. That seems to be why it is so serious.
TeMPOraL 2y ago
The article recognizes the jump as very worrisome, but it's also a new development. Milk/dairy infections have apparently been happening for some time now; per quoted headlines: > Utah reported that 8 dairy herds in Cache County were bulk tank positive for H5N1, tested as a result of a B3.13-infected layer flock. Utah is the 15th state with confirmed infections in the U.S. > California reported another 5 B3.13-infected dairy herds with the count as of yesterday standing at 193 (of approximately 400 nationally confirmed infected herds) The testing is a consequence of that situation.

sva_ 2y ago

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olivermuty 2y ago
Considering the complete 180 and sudden viability and admission of supression around the lab leak theory in Wuhan I can 100% see why lableak conspiracy is going over level 9000 for any such thing now :D I have not done any kind of research into if the Wuhan lableak story is true or not, but the admitted supression by the govt has made sure I cannot trust any kind of conclusion around it.
- yawpitch 2y ago
  Exactly why would a government not suppress a conspiracy theory? More importantly, why would you trust any government that didn’t at least attempt to suppress conspiracy theories?
  - dhfuuvyvtt 2y ago
    Because they keep turning out to be true?
    - arcanemachiner 2y ago
      Just the true ones.
    - TeMPOraL 2y ago
      Name three.
  - ekianjo 2y ago
    Since when is the government supposed to suppress anything?
    - sokoloff 2y ago
      I don’t mind if the government tries to suppress the ideas that the Earth is flat, that birds aren’t real, that the moon landings were faked, that the four elements are air, water, earth, and fire, etc. We sometimes call that education.

Buttons840 2y ago

CDC page about the outbreak referred to in this post: https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/index.html Says: > H5 bird flu is widespread in wild birds worldwide and is causing outbreaks in poultry and U.S. dairy cows with several recent human cases in U.S. dairy and poultry workers. > While the current public health risk is low, CDC is watching the situation carefully and working with states to monitor people with animal exposures. > CDC is using its flu surveillance systems to monitor for H5 bird flu activity in people.

dehrmann 2y ago

I'm a bit annoyed that we could stop this cold with a vaccine that sorta already exists, but didn't because we thought it was low-risk. It might be, or it might be a repeat of the big nothing that was H1N1 in 2009, but flu shots are cheap, so I'd rather pay $50 and not take the risk.

coffeebeqn 2y ago
Any action that requires most of the human population to do or receive something is certainly not easy or cheap or uncomplicated
dist-epoch 2y ago
Flu shots are much less effective than you think, the average across all ages is below 50%.
- avidphantasm 2y ago
  Yeah but if H5N1 strains have a high fatality rate, a 50% effective vaccine is a big deal.
  - dist-epoch 2y ago
    Of course, but parent is saying we shouldn't worry about H5N1 because a vaccine exists...

wkndul 2y ago

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BobbyTables2 2y ago

Caught a flu from a sparrow that got into my house in 2009. Worst cold/fever I’ve ever had in my life. People joke about birds not being real. The Flu is REAL.