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Yeah we use WebRTC for our games built on a fork of Godot 3. https://gooberdash.winterpixel.io/ https://gooberdash.winterpixel.io/ tbh the WebRTC performance

Yeah we use WebRTC for our games built on a fork of Godot 3. https://gooberdash.winterpixel.io/ https://gooberdash.winterpixel.io/ tbh the WebRTC performance is basically the same network performance as websockets and was way more complicated to implement. Maybe the webrtc perf is better in other parts of the world or something...

modeless 2y ago
Yeah WebRTC is a bear to implement for sure. Very poorly designed API. It can definitely provide significant performance improvements over web sockets, but only when configured correctly (unordered/unreliable mode) and not in every case (peer-to-peer is an afterthought in the modern internet).
- nightowl_games 2y ago
  We got it in unreliable/unordered and it still barely moves the needle on network perf over websockets from what we see in north america connecting to another server in north america
  - modeless 2y ago
    I wouldn't expect a big improvement in average performance but the long tail of high latency cases should be improved by avoiding head-of-line blocking. Also peer-to-peer should be an improvement over client-server-client in some situations. Not for battle royale though I guess. Edit: Very cool game! I love instant loading web games and yours seems very polished and fun to play. Has the web version been profitable, or is most of your revenue from the app stores? I wish I better understood the reasons web games (reportedly) struggle to monetize.
    - nightowl_games 2y ago
      Thanks! The web versions of both of our mobile/web games do about the same as the IAP versions. We dont have ads in the mobile versions, so the ad revenue is reasonble. We're actually leaning more into smaller web games as a result of that. Profit on this game specifically I think it deserves better. I think Goober Dash is a great game, but it's not crushing it like I'd hoped.
      - modeless 2y ago
        That's really interesting, thanks! I agree Goober Dash deserves to be successful.
- windows2020 2y ago
  I would say WebRTC is both a must and only worth it if you need UDP, such as in the case of real-time video.
saurik 2y ago
I mean, the only cases where UDP vs. TCP are going to matter are 1) if you experience packet loss (and maybe you aren't for whatever reason) and 2) if you are willing to actively try to shove other protocols around and not have a congestion controller (and WebRTC definitely has a congestion controller, with the default in most implementations being an algorithm about as good as a low-quality TCP stack).
- modeless 2y ago
  Out-of-order delivery is another case where UDP provides a benefit.

modeless 2y ago

Yeah WebRTC is a bear to implement for sure. Very poorly designed API. It can definitely provide significant performance improvements over web sockets, but only when configured correctly (unordered/unreliable mode) and not in every case (peer-to-peer is an afterthought in the modern internet).

nightowl_games 2y ago
We got it in unreliable/unordered and it still barely moves the needle on network perf over websockets from what we see in north america connecting to another server in north america
- modeless 2y ago
  I wouldn't expect a big improvement in average performance but the long tail of high latency cases should be improved by avoiding head-of-line blocking. Also peer-to-peer should be an improvement over client-server-client in some situations. Not for battle royale though I guess. Edit: Very cool game! I love instant loading web games and yours seems very polished and fun to play. Has the web version been profitable, or is most of your revenue from the app stores? I wish I better understood the reasons web games (reportedly) struggle to monetize.
  - nightowl_games 2y ago
    Thanks! The web versions of both of our mobile/web games do about the same as the IAP versions. We dont have ads in the mobile versions, so the ad revenue is reasonble. We're actually leaning more into smaller web games as a result of that. Profit on this game specifically I think it deserves better. I think Goober Dash is a great game, but it's not crushing it like I'd hoped.
    - modeless 2y ago
      That's really interesting, thanks! I agree Goober Dash deserves to be successful.
windows2020 2y ago
I would say WebRTC is both a must and only worth it if you need UDP, such as in the case of real-time video.

saurik 2y ago

I mean, the only cases where UDP vs. TCP are going to matter are 1) if you experience packet loss (and maybe you aren't for whatever reason) and 2) if you are willing to actively try to shove other protocols around and not have a congestion controller (and WebRTC definitely has a congestion controller, with the default in most implementations being an algorithm about as good as a low-quality TCP stack).

modeless 2y ago
Out-of-order delivery is another case where UDP provides a benefit.