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> Absolute best baked (what some people mistakenly call roast) potatoes I've ever had were in a small restaurant in Cornwall, England. > [...] > We were told

by OJFord 2y ago

> Absolute best baked (what some people mistakenly call roast) potatoes I've ever had were in a small restaurant in Cornwall, England. > [...] > We were told the preparation was pretty simple: 'boil in a strong stock until almost fully cooked, then dry and coat in goose fat, and then bake until they look good'. You had roast potatoes. I won't tell you how to make Buffalo wings or Chicago pizza.

Jedd 2y ago
Thanks - I can't imagine ever wanting to eat, let alone cook, a Chicago style 'pizza'.
- OJFord 2y ago
  Enjoy your Chicago style pizza - I've decided that the words you used mean that you love the thing and have decided to eat lots of it.
  - Jedd 2y ago
    What I meant was that I find the Chicago style way too thick, heavy, cheesy, slow to cook. It feels like a manifestation of the country's preference for heavy-handedness and excess. This may be an ungracious take. In any case it looks closer to a pie or lasagna style dish than what most people would consider a pizza. I gather it partly gets its name from the cooking tin that's used, which brings us back to an earlier problem. Anyway, I naturally lean more towards the Napoli style food as being proper pizza - and I'm sure we can all agree on that being a more faithful, accurate, just generally better interpretation. A modest volume of high quality toppings, on a thin base that's enjoyed a slow-ferment (I invariably do poolish), enough proper / good cheese to taste but not so much as to clog up, and the whole thing is cooked fast. IIRC, Napoli definition requires less than 90s to cook, but I struggle with getting to, maintaining, and then handling the necessary temperatures (around 450 degrees) so I usually end up cooking around 370 degrees for closer to 2.5 minutes.
    - OJFord 2y ago
      I know. And just like your disregard for well and long established meanings of 'roast potato' and 'baked potato' I've decided to disregard all the words you've used expecting to convey that you don't like Chicago 'pizza', and take them to to mean that you do. Mad, if you ask me, but to each their own - enjoy!
      - Jedd 2y ago
        > ... and long established meanings ... Are you arguing that roast ≈ fire/coals, and bake ≠ fire/coals, are not as long established as your preferred meanings?

by OJFord 2y ago

Jedd 2y ago

Thanks - I can't imagine ever wanting to eat, let alone cook, a Chicago style 'pizza'.

OJFord 2y ago
Enjoy your Chicago style pizza - I've decided that the words you used mean that you love the thing and have decided to eat lots of it.
- Jedd 2y ago
  What I meant was that I find the Chicago style way too thick, heavy, cheesy, slow to cook. It feels like a manifestation of the country's preference for heavy-handedness and excess. This may be an ungracious take. In any case it looks closer to a pie or lasagna style dish than what most people would consider a pizza. I gather it partly gets its name from the cooking tin that's used, which brings us back to an earlier problem. Anyway, I naturally lean more towards the Napoli style food as being proper pizza - and I'm sure we can all agree on that being a more faithful, accurate, just generally better interpretation. A modest volume of high quality toppings, on a thin base that's enjoyed a slow-ferment (I invariably do poolish), enough proper / good cheese to taste but not so much as to clog up, and the whole thing is cooked fast. IIRC, Napoli definition requires less than 90s to cook, but I struggle with getting to, maintaining, and then handling the necessary temperatures (around 450 degrees) so I usually end up cooking around 370 degrees for closer to 2.5 minutes.
  - OJFord 2y ago
    I know. And just like your disregard for well and long established meanings of 'roast potato' and 'baked potato' I've decided to disregard all the words you've used expecting to convey that you don't like Chicago 'pizza', and take them to to mean that you do. Mad, if you ask me, but to each their own - enjoy!
    - Jedd 2y ago
      > ... and long established meanings ... Are you arguing that roast ≈ fire/coals, and bake ≠ fire/coals, are not as long established as your preferred meanings?