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They at least tried: "Results were adjusted for age, sex, ethnicity, and sociodemographic, lifestyle, and health factors."

lazyasciiart 2y ago
I wonder if lifestyle or sociodemographic includes having specifically young children. That seems like a specific known temporary sleep disruption.
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 2y ago
  The cogort was 40-69 yo.
  - lazyasciiart 2y ago
    I am 40 and it's very common for people my age to be having babies. I would wild-ass guess that 10% of American 40-somethings have babies these days. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/motherhood-deferred-us-median-age-giving-birth-hits-30-rcna27827 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/motherhood-deferred-us-median-a...
- rcyeh 2y ago
  Interesting, I initially thought this factor was probably negligible, because the cohort was aged "62.8 ± 7.8 years" (either before or after the 7-year observation period). I still think it's small, but perhaps not negligible. I estimate that some 2-4% of the group could be heavily involved in caring for grandchildren, sorting themselves into the irregular category. It's well-known that school-aged children pass flu to grandparents [2], and then grandparents die, just in time for the 7-year post-birth observation window. The absolute death rate due to flu is 10^-4 to 10^-3 per year, which would be visible on the paper's mortality time course chart. Estimation details: * some 20% are grandparents (and very few are parents) of young children [0] * 20-50% of grandparents care for grandchildren regularly [1] So maybe 4-10% of the cohort as an upper bound. If the birth rate is 12 per 1000 per year, and babies cause sleep disruption for about two years to two persons, then that's about 4% also, but perhaps mostly not the same age group. [0]: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5eeb975b86650c2d26963b4d/S0409_Age_distributions_of_grandparents_and_parents_of_primary_school_aged_children.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5eeb975b86650... [1]: https://www.ageuk.org.uk/latest-news/articles/2017/september/five-million-grandparents-take-on-childcare-responsibilities/ https://www.ageuk.org.uk/latest-news/articles/2017/september... [2]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0025556412001721 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00255... Going to sleep now.

lazyasciiart 2y ago

I wonder if lifestyle or sociodemographic includes having specifically young children. That seems like a specific known temporary sleep disruption.

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 2y ago
The cogort was 40-69 yo.
- lazyasciiart 2y ago
  I am 40 and it's very common for people my age to be having babies. I would wild-ass guess that 10% of American 40-somethings have babies these days. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/motherhood-deferred-us-median-age-giving-birth-hits-30-rcna27827 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/motherhood-deferred-us-median-a...
rcyeh 2y ago
Interesting, I initially thought this factor was probably negligible, because the cohort was aged "62.8 ± 7.8 years" (either before or after the 7-year observation period). I still think it's small, but perhaps not negligible. I estimate that some 2-4% of the group could be heavily involved in caring for grandchildren, sorting themselves into the irregular category. It's well-known that school-aged children pass flu to grandparents [2], and then grandparents die, just in time for the 7-year post-birth observation window. The absolute death rate due to flu is 10^-4 to 10^-3 per year, which would be visible on the paper's mortality time course chart. Estimation details: * some 20% are grandparents (and very few are parents) of young children [0] * 20-50% of grandparents care for grandchildren regularly [1] So maybe 4-10% of the cohort as an upper bound. If the birth rate is 12 per 1000 per year, and babies cause sleep disruption for about two years to two persons, then that's about 4% also, but perhaps mostly not the same age group. [0]: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5eeb975b86650c2d26963b4d/S0409_Age_distributions_of_grandparents_and_parents_of_primary_school_aged_children.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5eeb975b86650... [1]: https://www.ageuk.org.uk/latest-news/articles/2017/september/five-million-grandparents-take-on-childcare-responsibilities/ https://www.ageuk.org.uk/latest-news/articles/2017/september... [2]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0025556412001721 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00255... Going to sleep now.