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Is there any good reason why about 90% of web dev, both client and server side, can't be standardized and automated? At least WYSIWYG.

herdcall 2y ago
What is server side WYSIWYG? Genuine question.
- srmatto 2y ago
  I think it could be something like https://juju.is/ https://juju.is/ or https://www.systeminit.com/ https://www.systeminit.com/ but maybe I am not understanding what you mean.
malfist 2y ago
Standardized and automated is another word for stagnate.
- Animats 2y ago
  We're already there. Web sites today do about the same things they did a decade ago.
  - bigfatkitten 2y ago
    They just use much more network bandwidth, memory, screen real estate and CPU power and time to do it.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
The web platform itself isn't too hard in the grand scheme of things. But even then, I'm not sure if I'd trust true automation of thousands, maybe even a million different web clusters all working seamlessly with the management of a few developers. A lot of what Musk cut out was support. the ones answering tickets or talking with adverts/big users to keep them happy. You can't solve that with a chatbot. The corrosion there is exactly why Twitter stock tanked.
- stogot 2y ago
  Twitter stock tanked after Elon bought the company and took it private? Are you sure you have your facts?
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/02/x-twitter-stock-falls-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/02/x-twitter... I apologize for the loose language, but yes. It's pretty clear that people smarter than me value Twitter much less for a variety of reasons.
whstl 2y ago
90% of web dev is CRUD and landing pages, so yeah. But this kind of development starts with non-technical product people and designers crafting "unique" requirements and only including engineers at the implementation phase, so "everything is customized". Even within a single product you won't see standardization and automation, just a massive amount of redundancy due to a very fragmented and non-engineering-centric development cycles. The limitations of things like Wix or Wordpress works in their favor. But the sibling reply makes an important point: most of the tech from Twitter is there because of scale. That's perhaps part of the 10%.
nitwit005 2y ago
90% of web dev probably is automated. A big portion of the web is WordPress sites, created by some site builder, etc.
tbrownaw 2y ago
Yes. Once someone automates their webdev with WordPress or Wix or whatever, it no longer counts as webdev.
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bigfatkitten 2y ago
Because web developers like to create monstrous "frameworks" and other tooling that provide no value other than in generating more work for web developers.

herdcall 2y ago

What is server side WYSIWYG? Genuine question.

srmatto 2y ago
I think it could be something like https://juju.is/ https://juju.is/ or https://www.systeminit.com/ https://www.systeminit.com/ but maybe I am not understanding what you mean.

malfist 2y ago

Standardized and automated is another word for stagnate.

Animats 2y ago
We're already there. Web sites today do about the same things they did a decade ago.
- bigfatkitten 2y ago
  They just use much more network bandwidth, memory, screen real estate and CPU power and time to do it.

johnnyanmac 2y ago

The web platform itself isn't too hard in the grand scheme of things. But even then, I'm not sure if I'd trust true automation of thousands, maybe even a million different web clusters all working seamlessly with the management of a few developers. A lot of what Musk cut out was support. the ones answering tickets or talking with adverts/big users to keep them happy. You can't solve that with a chatbot. The corrosion there is exactly why Twitter stock tanked.

stogot 2y ago
Twitter stock tanked after Elon bought the company and took it private? Are you sure you have your facts?
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/02/x-twitter-stock-falls-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/02/x-twitter... I apologize for the loose language, but yes. It's pretty clear that people smarter than me value Twitter much less for a variety of reasons.

whstl 2y ago

90% of web dev is CRUD and landing pages, so yeah. But this kind of development starts with non-technical product people and designers crafting "unique" requirements and only including engineers at the implementation phase, so "everything is customized". Even within a single product you won't see standardization and automation, just a massive amount of redundancy due to a very fragmented and non-engineering-centric development cycles. The limitations of things like Wix or Wordpress works in their favor. But the sibling reply makes an important point: most of the tech from Twitter is there because of scale. That's perhaps part of the 10%.

nitwit005 2y ago

90% of web dev probably is automated. A big portion of the web is WordPress sites, created by some site builder, etc.

tbrownaw 2y ago

Yes. Once someone automates their webdev with WordPress or Wix or whatever, it no longer counts as webdev.

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bigfatkitten 2y ago

Because web developers like to create monstrous "frameworks" and other tooling that provide no value other than in generating more work for web developers.