5 ms·

was the "spoils system" the XIX equivalent of "access money" in the US? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system

alephnerd 2y ago
In a way. While the "spoils system" did incentivize access, the principal-agent problem in this case would treat a voter as the principal and a legislator as the agent, as is a common issue with patronage systems in general. Access Money in Ang's typology hasn't been extended to patronage politics (yet).
gradschoolfail 2y ago
My current take is that culture is just path-dependent[0] interpretations of pretty much the same situation [1] [0]large mean time between scattering events, e.g. number and make-up of parties dont change very much since the last time the current system became barely-functional (we take on socio-technical debt before we have actual social tech??) as it is, 1789 was a bit too long ago for founder-mode, may halloween continue to console us! [1]more tk. it seems mostly everyone is tripartite. Tripartism, has its own en.wikipage! But more research on YYA’s taxonomy is required of me.
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  If you take the interpretation —as I do— that 1984 was a bunch of fast-forward* around the message that Orwell wanted to write, then it also says: a/ everyone is tripartite b/ every now and then, mid and high circulate, often by appeal to the low c/ as soon as the old mid becomes the new high, they forget their promises which is completely in keeping with what he said in Animal Farm. (did he have a third book on the topic?) {a: PIE, b: Veblen, c: Machiavelli}? (I recently learned the chinese latin TLA "SPA" from a Zhihu question about the PRC equivalent of the low) * not completely fast forward: one sentence of the last narrative explains why the Man even bothers to keep the low down: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40023059 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40023059 EDIT: on Tripartism, yeah, a large part of our current "The Middle" party was previously known as Christian Democrats.
  - gradschoolfail 2y ago
    Re:cruelty/VPS/offering struggle Not sure if the sage is allowed cruelty(=irreversibilty?<= deluging), more sure that the sage is forbidden from enjoying it (or even signalling its enjoyment, cf Not-Hillel)
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      That may be why a common definition of cruelty is being unnecessarily unpleasant: the Lords/Ladies of Instrumentality would say, it's not me, this just falls out of the Lagrangian, and yes it was horrible yet I was but the instrument. (compare the original words to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6m9SusjNYk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6m9SusjNYk ) The chinese note a tension between 霸 and 王 , do they also note one between 正 and 仁? Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92WwPFDn_xM#t=90s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92WwPFDn_xM#t=90s
      - gradschoolfail 2y ago
        Hmm, no pro-logicians interested yet? Is it because logic is such a gradual domain.. would it move you beyond knowing just the name* to note that i’ve been involved with … experiments?? (Im a fan of <<Experimental Mathematics>> tho this is 2 steps removed, shall we call it “Experimental Logic”?) To whether its common or uncommon, depends on how deep you want to look, i guess! *Check out DP-G and TSC’s 2020 update, where their Ham doesnt seem so contrived, and in fact, closer to, let’s say, the-country-that-shall-not-be-renamed. Are the chinese paying attention??!! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42039941 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42039941 Citation on the tension? I suspect the tension isn’t between elite-driven and anarchism*. No time to hunt for a item i saw a while back here (its “everywhere”) observing that you cant see any of the supposedly cataclysmic events of the XX (& XIX?) on the emissions chart.. perhaps we should explore (cue tony blair’s victory song) the tension between inflation and deflation instead? *https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42031606 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42031606 [maybe Einstein saw Goedel as Spinoza reincarnate, pity he hadnt heard about MPB (or even RPF/AG] PS hadnt seen the PC article, thanks! The content is very familiar.. however.

alephnerd 2y ago

In a way. While the "spoils system" did incentivize access, the principal-agent problem in this case would treat a voter as the principal and a legislator as the agent, as is a common issue with patronage systems in general. Access Money in Ang's typology hasn't been extended to patronage politics (yet).

gradschoolfail 2y ago

My current take is that culture is just path-dependent[0] interpretations of pretty much the same situation [1] [0]large mean time between scattering events, e.g. number and make-up of parties dont change very much since the last time the current system became barely-functional (we take on socio-technical debt before we have actual social tech??) as it is, 1789 was a bit too long ago for founder-mode, may halloween continue to console us! [1]more tk. it seems mostly everyone is tripartite. Tripartism, has its own en.wikipage! But more research on YYA’s taxonomy is required of me.

082349872349872 2y ago
If you take the interpretation —as I do— that 1984 was a bunch of fast-forward* around the message that Orwell wanted to write, then it also says: a/ everyone is tripartite b/ every now and then, mid and high circulate, often by appeal to the low c/ as soon as the old mid becomes the new high, they forget their promises which is completely in keeping with what he said in Animal Farm. (did he have a third book on the topic?) {a: PIE, b: Veblen, c: Machiavelli}? (I recently learned the chinese latin TLA "SPA" from a Zhihu question about the PRC equivalent of the low) * not completely fast forward: one sentence of the last narrative explains why the Man even bothers to keep the low down: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40023059 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40023059 EDIT: on Tripartism, yeah, a large part of our current "The Middle" party was previously known as Christian Democrats.
- gradschoolfail 2y ago
  Re:cruelty/VPS/offering struggle Not sure if the sage is allowed cruelty(=irreversibilty?<= deluging), more sure that the sage is forbidden from enjoying it (or even signalling its enjoyment, cf Not-Hillel)
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    That may be why a common definition of cruelty is being unnecessarily unpleasant: the Lords/Ladies of Instrumentality would say, it's not me, this just falls out of the Lagrangian, and yes it was horrible yet I was but the instrument. (compare the original words to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6m9SusjNYk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6m9SusjNYk ) The chinese note a tension between 霸 and 王 , do they also note one between 正 and 仁? Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92WwPFDn_xM#t=90s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92WwPFDn_xM#t=90s
    - gradschoolfail 2y ago
      Hmm, no pro-logicians interested yet? Is it because logic is such a gradual domain.. would it move you beyond knowing just the name* to note that i’ve been involved with … experiments?? (Im a fan of <<Experimental Mathematics>> tho this is 2 steps removed, shall we call it “Experimental Logic”?) To whether its common or uncommon, depends on how deep you want to look, i guess! *Check out DP-G and TSC’s 2020 update, where their Ham doesnt seem so contrived, and in fact, closer to, let’s say, the-country-that-shall-not-be-renamed. Are the chinese paying attention??!! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42039941 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42039941 Citation on the tension? I suspect the tension isn’t between elite-driven and anarchism*. No time to hunt for a item i saw a while back here (its “everywhere”) observing that you cant see any of the supposedly cataclysmic events of the XX (& XIX?) on the emissions chart.. perhaps we should explore (cue tony blair’s victory song) the tension between inflation and deflation instead? *https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42031606 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42031606 [maybe Einstein saw Goedel as Spinoza reincarnate, pity he hadnt heard about MPB (or even RPF/AG] PS hadnt seen the PC article, thanks! The content is very familiar.. however.