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If a male has personal beliefs that lead to him imposing himself upon female-only spaces, should that be allowed just because those are his personal beliefs? S

If a male has personal beliefs that lead to him imposing himself upon female-only spaces, should that be allowed just because those are his personal beliefs? Sometimes it's better to prevent people from acting on their personal beliefs, in particular where it adversely affects others.

acdha 2y ago
Wouldn’t that be up to the owner of the space?
- carcudder 2y ago
  Not necessarily, no. To give another example, bathroom facilities for disabled people would be practically non-existent if left up to the owners of the space to provide. It's only through legislation that this has been mandated, to the benefit of those with disabilities. Similarly with female-only spaces, legislation that protects these, for the benefit of women and girls, is becoming increasingly necessary in today's society.
  - acdha 2y ago
    There isn’t a problem with men forcing their way into “female-only” spaces unless you count the guys who sue gyms or bars which have ladies nights. There are people who are lying to you about trans women but that’s not a real threat and those people have caused far more harm to the women they’ve accused or even assaulted after deciding that they must be trans.
    - carcudder 2y ago
      It is a very real threat. At the worst, we see cases like this, where female prisoners are raped and sexually assaulted by males who were transferred to women's prisons: https://4w.pub/male-inmate-charged-with-raping-woman-inside-california-womens-prison-cdcr-confirms-pregnancy https://4w.pub/male-inmate-charged-with-raping-woman-inside-... We see unfair competition and lost opportunities from male disruption of female sports, for example: https://quillette.com/2024/11/01/college-volleyballs-spartan-meltdown https://quillette.com/2024/11/01/college-volleyballs-spartan... We see lesbian women being harassed and attacked by males who they reject, such as: https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/03/trans-activists-shut-down-my-lesbian-speed-dating-event https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/03/trans-activists-shu... And many, many more cases like these. It's a pattern of abusive male entitlement and, even worse, far too many people with power enabling this while ignoring the harms to women and girls.

acdha 2y ago

Wouldn’t that be up to the owner of the space?

carcudder 2y ago
Not necessarily, no. To give another example, bathroom facilities for disabled people would be practically non-existent if left up to the owners of the space to provide. It's only through legislation that this has been mandated, to the benefit of those with disabilities. Similarly with female-only spaces, legislation that protects these, for the benefit of women and girls, is becoming increasingly necessary in today's society.
- acdha 2y ago
  There isn’t a problem with men forcing their way into “female-only” spaces unless you count the guys who sue gyms or bars which have ladies nights. There are people who are lying to you about trans women but that’s not a real threat and those people have caused far more harm to the women they’ve accused or even assaulted after deciding that they must be trans.
  - carcudder 2y ago
    It is a very real threat. At the worst, we see cases like this, where female prisoners are raped and sexually assaulted by males who were transferred to women's prisons: https://4w.pub/male-inmate-charged-with-raping-woman-inside-california-womens-prison-cdcr-confirms-pregnancy https://4w.pub/male-inmate-charged-with-raping-woman-inside-... We see unfair competition and lost opportunities from male disruption of female sports, for example: https://quillette.com/2024/11/01/college-volleyballs-spartan-meltdown https://quillette.com/2024/11/01/college-volleyballs-spartan... We see lesbian women being harassed and attacked by males who they reject, such as: https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/03/trans-activists-shut-down-my-lesbian-speed-dating-event https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/03/trans-activists-shu... And many, many more cases like these. It's a pattern of abusive male entitlement and, even worse, far too many people with power enabling this while ignoring the harms to women and girls.