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Apple would close down their macos just like iOS if they could get away with it so they can get their 30 percent on apps installed . However since their moat i

Apple would close down their macos just like iOS if they could get away with it so they can get their 30 percent on apps installed . However since their moat is now filling with European soil this is not something they will attempt at this point IMO.

GeekyBear 2y ago
Apple literally designed a new boot loader for Macs that allows the computer's owner to install and run an unsigned OS without having it degrade the security of the system when booted into the first party OS. That didn't happen accidentally.
- bqmjjx0kac 2y ago
  But perhaps it happened not out of the goodness of their hearts, but for unfathomable reasons like warding off antitrust lawsuits.
  - panick21_ 2y ago
    On the internet it seems antitrust law can just be used to explain every. Antitrust actually has a pretty strict legal definition. And not a lot of thing fall into that. And if it Antitrust did apply, it would apply far more to the IPhone. It would take an outright legal revolution in the definition of antitrust for this to be even a remote possibility, and frankly that is not happening.
    - bqmjjx0kac 2y ago
      Not all lawsuits need to be legitimate. They just need to be plausible and expensive to influence corporate decision-making.
      - panick21_ 2y ago
        Apple has plenty of money and lawyers. If they are 100% sure they win, they have no reason to be afraid of such a lawsuit. By your logic, Apple could also be sued for not doing it. See how your logic doesn't add up?
  - GeekyBear 2y ago
    Given that the boot liader design predates any antitrust action against this Apple, you'll have to find a different conspiracy theory.
  - nicoburns 2y ago
    My guess would be that it was personally advocated for by someone who has enough influence within Apple to make it happen. Possibly someone on the hardware team, as I hear that the people developing the Apple Silicon processors run linux on them while they're in development. This used to be one of the best things about Apple when Steve Jobs was still running the company: you'd get a bunch of features that a purely profit-focussed "rational business" would never approve, just because Steve wanted them. And I suspect Apple still has some of that culture.
musictubes 2y ago
This is tiresome. They cannot lock down the Mac without losing one of its biggest markets, software development. It was mentioned at a WWDC 5 or 6 years ago I think that software developers were the largest of the professional groups using Macs. You can’t have a development environment that doesn’t allow for the downloading, writing, and installation of arbitrary code. As long as Apple wants people to develop software for its platforms and/or sell to web developers, Android developers, scientific computing, etc. they will not lock down the Mac.
- sschueller 2y ago
  I don't buy that for one second. If they cared for software developers they would have never moved the ESC key into the touchbar back when that was a thing. Also if they really cared, they would operate/manage brew and integrate it better than have people spend their free time to make apple's products more usable for software developers.

GeekyBear 2y ago

Apple literally designed a new boot loader for Macs that allows the computer's owner to install and run an unsigned OS without having it degrade the security of the system when booted into the first party OS. That didn't happen accidentally.

bqmjjx0kac 2y ago
But perhaps it happened not out of the goodness of their hearts, but for unfathomable reasons like warding off antitrust lawsuits.
- panick21_ 2y ago
  On the internet it seems antitrust law can just be used to explain every. Antitrust actually has a pretty strict legal definition. And not a lot of thing fall into that. And if it Antitrust did apply, it would apply far more to the IPhone. It would take an outright legal revolution in the definition of antitrust for this to be even a remote possibility, and frankly that is not happening.
  - bqmjjx0kac 2y ago
    Not all lawsuits need to be legitimate. They just need to be plausible and expensive to influence corporate decision-making.
    - panick21_ 2y ago
      Apple has plenty of money and lawyers. If they are 100% sure they win, they have no reason to be afraid of such a lawsuit. By your logic, Apple could also be sued for not doing it. See how your logic doesn't add up?
- GeekyBear 2y ago
  Given that the boot liader design predates any antitrust action against this Apple, you'll have to find a different conspiracy theory.
- nicoburns 2y ago
  My guess would be that it was personally advocated for by someone who has enough influence within Apple to make it happen. Possibly someone on the hardware team, as I hear that the people developing the Apple Silicon processors run linux on them while they're in development. This used to be one of the best things about Apple when Steve Jobs was still running the company: you'd get a bunch of features that a purely profit-focussed "rational business" would never approve, just because Steve wanted them. And I suspect Apple still has some of that culture.

musictubes 2y ago

This is tiresome. They cannot lock down the Mac without losing one of its biggest markets, software development. It was mentioned at a WWDC 5 or 6 years ago I think that software developers were the largest of the professional groups using Macs. You can’t have a development environment that doesn’t allow for the downloading, writing, and installation of arbitrary code. As long as Apple wants people to develop software for its platforms and/or sell to web developers, Android developers, scientific computing, etc. they will not lock down the Mac.

sschueller 2y ago
I don't buy that for one second. If they cared for software developers they would have never moved the ESC key into the touchbar back when that was a thing. Also if they really cared, they would operate/manage brew and integrate it better than have people spend their free time to make apple's products more usable for software developers.