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Do you have any source on this?

thomassmith65 2y ago
It might be different post-Intel? I'm too lazy to dig up sources for Apple's past lost class action lawsuits, etc. That Rossman guy, the internet-famous repairman, built his youtube channel on videos about Apple's inadequate thermal management. They're probably still archived on his channel. Hell, I haven't owned a Mac post the year 2000 that didn't regularly hit temperatures above 90 celsius.
- johnklos 2y ago
  Why would you, or anyone, ever compare a line of Intel machines with a line of machines that have a vastly different architecture and power usage? It'd be like comparing Lamborghini's tractors and cars and asking if the tractors will scrape on steep driveways because you know the cars do.
  - thomassmith65 2y ago
    On the other hand, it is comparing Apples to Apples. The Gods didn't deliver specs to Apple for Intel machines locking the company to placement/grades/design/brands/sizes of chassis, fans, logic board, paste etc. Apple, in the Intel years, just prioritized small form factor, at the expense of longevity. And Apple's priorities are likely still the same. My concern is that, given cooler-running chips, Apple will decrease form factor until even the cooler-running chips overheat. The question, in my mind, is only whether the team at Apple who design chips can improve them to a point where the chips run so coolly that the rest of Apple can't screw it up (ie: with inadequate thermal design). If that has happened, then... fantastic, that's good for consumers.
    - Affric 2y ago
      Jonny Ive left and Apple decided thinness wasn’t the only value. 100% Apple Silicon is that for computers. Very rarely do my fans whizz up. It’s noticeable when someone is using an x64 and you’re working with them because you will hear their computer’s fans on. The work Apple has done to create a computer with good thermals is outrageous. Minimising distances for charges to be induced over. I run Linux on my box. It’s great for what it does but these laptops are just the slickest computers I have ever used. Never gets hot. Fans only come on during heavy compilation tasks or graphic intensive workloads.
      - thomassmith65 2y ago
        That is encouraging to read, and hopefully it truly is the case that Apple has weened itself from its obsession with thinness. Some of the choices Apple made after SJ's death left such an unpleasant taste in my mouth that I know have knee-jerk reactions to certain Apple announcements. One of those is that I experience nausea when Apple shrinks the form factor of a product. Hopefully that has clouded my judgement here, and in fact these Mac Minis have sufficient airflow to survive several years.
- brigade 2y ago
  Do you disagree with Intel's stated Tjunction, or disagree that Intel is capable of controlling clocks to remain within its stated thermal limits? Like even with Intel chips that actually died early en masse (13th and 14th gen), the issue wasn't temperature.
  - thomassmith65 2y ago
    2x correct amount of thermal paste... not good. Insufficient airflow from blowers... not good. 110 celsius heat... not good for lead-free solder... not good for computer. This whole thread is starting to feel surreal to me. Pretty soon everyone will have me believing I dreamt up Apple's reputation for bad thermal management.
    - brigade 2y ago
      Well, when you don’t appear to know or care about the actual issues stemming from poor thermals (Intel relying too much on turbo clocks, toasty crotches, low battery life, noisy fans) and instead complain about made-up issues, yeah.
      - thomassmith65 2y ago
        My frustration was with the totality of comments in the thread, not yours exclusively. I'd have no problem with any one reply in this thread, on its own. Apologies if I came across as rude. There's nothing in a comment thread so cringeworthy and boring as a person trumpeting their own expertise, so I'll refrain, and leave off here.
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- hedgehog 2y ago
  Rossmann is like Scotty Kilmer, the automotive guy. Lots of clickbaity breathless videos, highly variable technical accuracy.

It might be different post-Intel? I'm too lazy to dig up sources for Apple's past lost class action lawsuits, etc. That Rossman guy, the internet-famous repairman, built his youtube channel on videos about Apple's inadequate thermal management. They're probably still archived on his channel. Hell, I haven't owned a Mac post the year 2000 that didn't regularly hit temperatures above 90 celsius.

johnklos 2y ago
Why would you, or anyone, ever compare a line of Intel machines with a line of machines that have a vastly different architecture and power usage? It'd be like comparing Lamborghini's tractors and cars and asking if the tractors will scrape on steep driveways because you know the cars do.
- thomassmith65 2y ago
  On the other hand, it is comparing Apples to Apples. The Gods didn't deliver specs to Apple for Intel machines locking the company to placement/grades/design/brands/sizes of chassis, fans, logic board, paste etc. Apple, in the Intel years, just prioritized small form factor, at the expense of longevity. And Apple's priorities are likely still the same. My concern is that, given cooler-running chips, Apple will decrease form factor until even the cooler-running chips overheat. The question, in my mind, is only whether the team at Apple who design chips can improve them to a point where the chips run so coolly that the rest of Apple can't screw it up (ie: with inadequate thermal design). If that has happened, then... fantastic, that's good for consumers.
  - Affric 2y ago
    Jonny Ive left and Apple decided thinness wasn’t the only value. 100% Apple Silicon is that for computers. Very rarely do my fans whizz up. It’s noticeable when someone is using an x64 and you’re working with them because you will hear their computer’s fans on. The work Apple has done to create a computer with good thermals is outrageous. Minimising distances for charges to be induced over. I run Linux on my box. It’s great for what it does but these laptops are just the slickest computers I have ever used. Never gets hot. Fans only come on during heavy compilation tasks or graphic intensive workloads.
    - thomassmith65 2y ago
      That is encouraging to read, and hopefully it truly is the case that Apple has weened itself from its obsession with thinness. Some of the choices Apple made after SJ's death left such an unpleasant taste in my mouth that I know have knee-jerk reactions to certain Apple announcements. One of those is that I experience nausea when Apple shrinks the form factor of a product. Hopefully that has clouded my judgement here, and in fact these Mac Minis have sufficient airflow to survive several years.
brigade 2y ago
Do you disagree with Intel's stated Tjunction, or disagree that Intel is capable of controlling clocks to remain within its stated thermal limits? Like even with Intel chips that actually died early en masse (13th and 14th gen), the issue wasn't temperature.
- thomassmith65 2y ago
  2x correct amount of thermal paste... not good. Insufficient airflow from blowers... not good. 110 celsius heat... not good for lead-free solder... not good for computer. This whole thread is starting to feel surreal to me. Pretty soon everyone will have me believing I dreamt up Apple's reputation for bad thermal management.
  - brigade 2y ago
    Well, when you don’t appear to know or care about the actual issues stemming from poor thermals (Intel relying too much on turbo clocks, toasty crotches, low battery life, noisy fans) and instead complain about made-up issues, yeah.
    - thomassmith65 2y ago
      My frustration was with the totality of comments in the thread, not yours exclusively. I'd have no problem with any one reply in this thread, on its own. Apologies if I came across as rude. There's nothing in a comment thread so cringeworthy and boring as a person trumpeting their own expertise, so I'll refrain, and leave off here.
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hedgehog 2y ago
Rossmann is like Scotty Kilmer, the automotive guy. Lots of clickbaity breathless videos, highly variable technical accuracy.