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I think it makes sense to try and cycle the majority of the dependency network to the new versions but I also think it probably makes sense to let the old toolk

by kev009 2y ago

I think it makes sense to try and cycle the majority of the dependency network to the new versions but I also think it probably makes sense to let the old toolkits live on indefinitely (maybe strategically drop the webkit stuff everything else should be low maintenance) for a variety of reasons, particularly old commercial software. It is comical in some sense that a Motif app of yore would've been a great "investment" in terms of still functioning now and for the foreseeable future.. sort of like Win32/MFC.

mrweasel 2y ago
> Motif app of yore would've been a great "investment" ... sort of like Win32/MFC. I've slowly started getting back to desktop Linux, and honestly Motif (mwm) is fine for my needs. Maybe fvwm would be slightly better. If I where to do my career over, I'd consider going for C++ and Win32, it seems like a stable performant platform (I get that there's other problems on modern Windows).
- exe34 2y ago
  wine is the stable abi on Linux.
  - throwaway2046 2y ago
    For those who don't know the reference: https://blog.hiler.eu/win32-the-only-stable-abi/ https://blog.hiler.eu/win32-the-only-stable-abi/
    - exe34 2y ago
      oh I'm pretty sure I've seen that a long time before. funnily enough there was a time if you had both an os x partition for Mac os and an ext2/3 partition for Linux, the only way to share files freely between the two was through a fat32 partition.
      - moomoo3000 2y ago
        Are you referring to exFAT?
        exe34 2y ago
        that's only since 2009 on Linux and snow leopard in 2010. in the years before, you had to do fat32.
  - hulitu 2y ago
    > wine is the stable abi on Linux. When it works, yes. Unfortunately, the quality of open source software, especially of big projects, has gone downhill in the later years.
- rjsw 2y ago
  I'm using mwm right now, and a motif build of emacs.
  - anthk 2y ago
    EMWM there, with a Vim build of Motif too. https://fastestcode.org/emwm.html https://fastestcode.org/emwm.html
    - akritid 2y ago
      So there must be at least three of us. Hi!
      - anthk 2y ago
        Hello. BTW, if there's no Motif tool available, there's always TCL/TK. As an example, TKDiff. Or a Gemini/Gopher client: https://codeberg.org/luxferre/BFG https://codeberg.org/luxferre/BFG It just requieres TCL/TK and tcl-tls. It's run faster than compiled browsers, even if the browsers have Javascript disabled. Services: gemini://gemi.dev News Waffle, perfect for newspapers, no ads, no 700 cookies tracking you. gopher://magical.fish Big portal, good news service gopher://hngopher.com HN gopher://gopherddit.com Reddit
dangsux 2y ago
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pram 2y ago
Motif and Xaw will bury us all!
- anthk 2y ago
  I'm learning Motif just for fun with "Vol6a" and it's fairly easier than Xaw. When Motif was propietary, GNU users did an astounding work with LessTif, as programming in Xaw was far more level and prone to bugs because you had to keep more stuff set. Also, Xaw3D was a good effort on mimicking Motif widgets, but it had the same exact API as Xaw. And, finally, in late 90's TCL/TK had a big boost under GNU distros because it was a quick way to plug an UI over some C software. If you like Motif, you might like EMWM too. WIth the suggest addons and extras, it's like a mini-DWM from IRIX minus the launching dock; altough you don't need it, the toolbar it's more than enough. A pity Mosaic it's propietary; adding auth support for NNTP it's something every C novice could do under 2 minutes with a printf (and I did). But there's some nice TCL/TK software which just requires tcl-tls and a plain TCL/TK install: https://codeberg.org/luxferre/BFG https://codeberg.org/luxferre/BFG
  - kev009 2y ago
    EMWM looks fun. I've got a NetBSD laptop running CDE for nostalgia and it is surprisingly a joy to use. I don't think CDE has undergone the same protocol modernization and doing so would be a lot more work there.
    - anthk 2y ago
      CDE got XFT thanks to Motif support but I'm not sure about UTF-8. I have to try the UTF-8 test file with Nedit-XFT. EMWM should perfectly work then.

by kev009 2y ago

mrweasel 2y ago

> Motif app of yore would've been a great "investment" ... sort of like Win32/MFC. I've slowly started getting back to desktop Linux, and honestly Motif (mwm) is fine for my needs. Maybe fvwm would be slightly better. If I where to do my career over, I'd consider going for C++ and Win32, it seems like a stable performant platform (I get that there's other problems on modern Windows).

exe34 2y ago
wine is the stable abi on Linux.
- throwaway2046 2y ago
  For those who don't know the reference: https://blog.hiler.eu/win32-the-only-stable-abi/ https://blog.hiler.eu/win32-the-only-stable-abi/
  - exe34 2y ago
    oh I'm pretty sure I've seen that a long time before. funnily enough there was a time if you had both an os x partition for Mac os and an ext2/3 partition for Linux, the only way to share files freely between the two was through a fat32 partition.
    - moomoo3000 2y ago
      Are you referring to exFAT?
      - exe34 2y ago
        that's only since 2009 on Linux and snow leopard in 2010. in the years before, you had to do fat32.
- hulitu 2y ago
  > wine is the stable abi on Linux. When it works, yes. Unfortunately, the quality of open source software, especially of big projects, has gone downhill in the later years.
rjsw 2y ago
I'm using mwm right now, and a motif build of emacs.
- anthk 2y ago
  EMWM there, with a Vim build of Motif too. https://fastestcode.org/emwm.html https://fastestcode.org/emwm.html
  - akritid 2y ago
    So there must be at least three of us. Hi!
    - anthk 2y ago
      Hello. BTW, if there's no Motif tool available, there's always TCL/TK. As an example, TKDiff. Or a Gemini/Gopher client: https://codeberg.org/luxferre/BFG https://codeberg.org/luxferre/BFG It just requieres TCL/TK and tcl-tls. It's run faster than compiled browsers, even if the browsers have Javascript disabled. Services: gemini://gemi.dev News Waffle, perfect for newspapers, no ads, no 700 cookies tracking you. gopher://magical.fish Big portal, good news service gopher://hngopher.com HN gopher://gopherddit.com Reddit

dangsux 2y ago

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pram 2y ago

Motif and Xaw will bury us all!

anthk 2y ago
I'm learning Motif just for fun with "Vol6a" and it's fairly easier than Xaw. When Motif was propietary, GNU users did an astounding work with LessTif, as programming in Xaw was far more level and prone to bugs because you had to keep more stuff set. Also, Xaw3D was a good effort on mimicking Motif widgets, but it had the same exact API as Xaw. And, finally, in late 90's TCL/TK had a big boost under GNU distros because it was a quick way to plug an UI over some C software. If you like Motif, you might like EMWM too. WIth the suggest addons and extras, it's like a mini-DWM from IRIX minus the launching dock; altough you don't need it, the toolbar it's more than enough. A pity Mosaic it's propietary; adding auth support for NNTP it's something every C novice could do under 2 minutes with a printf (and I did). But there's some nice TCL/TK software which just requires tcl-tls and a plain TCL/TK install: https://codeberg.org/luxferre/BFG https://codeberg.org/luxferre/BFG
- kev009 2y ago
  EMWM looks fun. I've got a NetBSD laptop running CDE for nostalgia and it is surprisingly a joy to use. I don't think CDE has undergone the same protocol modernization and doing so would be a lot more work there.
  - anthk 2y ago
    CDE got XFT thanks to Motif support but I'm not sure about UTF-8. I have to try the UTF-8 test file with Nedit-XFT. EMWM should perfectly work then.