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> to build the great harmony that everyone under heaven can life peacefully together Do the Taiwanese feel comforted by statements like that?

TeaBrain 2y ago
Or the other countries like the Philippines and Vietnam that dispute China's excessive maritime claims. That claim isn't really surprising in light of the rest of their comment which is essentially repeating the PRC creation myth.
mitthrowaway2 2y ago
Perhaps "harmony" is a polite word for what remains after you subtract all dissonant sounds.
- bigcat12345678 2y ago
  Not wrong. None of political is moral. Only morality makes political bearable.
surfpel 2y ago
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- rootusrootus 2y ago
  > What was that about You said it yourself. Your entire comment is whataboutism. The discussion was about China, not the history of the US.
  - surfpel 2y ago
    > You said it yourself LOL what. It's called 'perspective', not 'whataboutism'. 'Whataboutism' supposes a level of equivalence that does not exist here. Westerners whining about Taiwan is like a serial robber complaining that their victim didn't capitulate.
    - Vecr 2y ago
      Personally I'd support a supermajority process, similar to a US constitutional change, started in both mainland China and Taiwan so they both have the same constitution. Once that happens the merging of the countries could carefully proceed. I'm not sure how you're going to get both population, subdivision, and political supermajorities for the same new constitution in both countries though.
      - surfpel 2y ago
        Hot take: China is rising. They’re clearly prioritizing the wellbeing of their people through infrastructure and social programs. They’ve also developed a reputation among the global south (as well as the majority of their neighbors, despite western media) as a benevolent “win-win” trading & investment partner. Given these developments, I think it’s possible that Taiwan will agree to some kind of “100 year transition” to full reunification in the future, once it becomes clear that they’re better off under PRC rule vs American occupation. They don’t even need the same constitution. Hong Kong has it’s own constitution. It’s not even a state, it’s literally just a city.
        Vecr 2y ago
        The entire point of my solution is to prevent another HK situation. It's quite likely it still wouldn't work (deep state, backsliding, etc.), but it's a total no-go otherwise.
    - rootusrootus 2y ago
      You're deluding yourself. You literally tried to turn a discussion about something the PRC likes to say into a discussion about the US. Why, exactly? Some notion that the PRC can say sweet lovely things while acting completely differently, and we should totally not criticize them because someone else has done something you view as equally bad? That is exactly a demonstration of whataboutism. It is a bad faith technique intended to derail the conversation and stop the criticism.
      - 2y ago
  - TeaBrain 2y ago
    Not only is it blatant whataboutism, but the whataboutist analogies for the US of Alaska, Palestine and Cuba are also completely nonsensical, as the US didn't conquer any of them. I suppose though that being nonsensical is on theme for PRC nationalists arguing online.
    - surfpel 2y ago
      > US didn't conquer any of them Ah dang ya got me! The brutal repression and other antics by the US is totally justifiable now. How could I not have thought of this highly misleading/misinformed technicality. You win! > PRC nationalists arguing online This is the final defense. “Anyone who doesn’t hold my opinion is a shill”. The indoctrination runs deep. If the rest of America is as taken aback as I was when I learned the truth and saw the situation for what it is, oh man. The logical inconsistencies of the propaganda can only hold up for so long, I hope. But they can’t let people find out. Because it would reveal just how shitty we have it, for no goddam reason, and how good life could be. Keep coping I guess.
      - TeaBrain 2y ago
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        surfpel 2y ago
        This thread has devolved into something quite gross, though I shouldn't have expected anything more, based on your first comment. Have a nice day.
        TeaBrain 2y ago
        From my perspective, it had already devolved when you started making dishonest whataboutisms and accusations of being "indoctrinated" in your comments. Just to humor you though, what is the "truth" that you say you were enlightened of?
bigcat12345678 2y ago
Great harmony is not "everyone feeling good" Great harmony is about creating a system that can peacefully forcing everyone into their position and not go out of boundary.

TeaBrain 2y ago

Or the other countries like the Philippines and Vietnam that dispute China's excessive maritime claims. That claim isn't really surprising in light of the rest of their comment which is essentially repeating the PRC creation myth.

mitthrowaway2 2y ago

Perhaps "harmony" is a polite word for what remains after you subtract all dissonant sounds.

bigcat12345678 2y ago
Not wrong. None of political is moral. Only morality makes political bearable.

surfpel 2y ago

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rootusrootus 2y ago
> What was that about You said it yourself. Your entire comment is whataboutism. The discussion was about China, not the history of the US.
- surfpel 2y ago
  > You said it yourself LOL what. It's called 'perspective', not 'whataboutism'. 'Whataboutism' supposes a level of equivalence that does not exist here. Westerners whining about Taiwan is like a serial robber complaining that their victim didn't capitulate.
  - Vecr 2y ago
    Personally I'd support a supermajority process, similar to a US constitutional change, started in both mainland China and Taiwan so they both have the same constitution. Once that happens the merging of the countries could carefully proceed. I'm not sure how you're going to get both population, subdivision, and political supermajorities for the same new constitution in both countries though.
    - surfpel 2y ago
      Hot take: China is rising. They’re clearly prioritizing the wellbeing of their people through infrastructure and social programs. They’ve also developed a reputation among the global south (as well as the majority of their neighbors, despite western media) as a benevolent “win-win” trading & investment partner. Given these developments, I think it’s possible that Taiwan will agree to some kind of “100 year transition” to full reunification in the future, once it becomes clear that they’re better off under PRC rule vs American occupation. They don’t even need the same constitution. Hong Kong has it’s own constitution. It’s not even a state, it’s literally just a city.
      - Vecr 2y ago
        The entire point of my solution is to prevent another HK situation. It's quite likely it still wouldn't work (deep state, backsliding, etc.), but it's a total no-go otherwise.
  - rootusrootus 2y ago
    You're deluding yourself. You literally tried to turn a discussion about something the PRC likes to say into a discussion about the US. Why, exactly? Some notion that the PRC can say sweet lovely things while acting completely differently, and we should totally not criticize them because someone else has done something you view as equally bad? That is exactly a demonstration of whataboutism. It is a bad faith technique intended to derail the conversation and stop the criticism.
    - 2y ago
- TeaBrain 2y ago
  Not only is it blatant whataboutism, but the whataboutist analogies for the US of Alaska, Palestine and Cuba are also completely nonsensical, as the US didn't conquer any of them. I suppose though that being nonsensical is on theme for PRC nationalists arguing online.
  - surfpel 2y ago
    > US didn't conquer any of them Ah dang ya got me! The brutal repression and other antics by the US is totally justifiable now. How could I not have thought of this highly misleading/misinformed technicality. You win! > PRC nationalists arguing online This is the final defense. “Anyone who doesn’t hold my opinion is a shill”. The indoctrination runs deep. If the rest of America is as taken aback as I was when I learned the truth and saw the situation for what it is, oh man. The logical inconsistencies of the propaganda can only hold up for so long, I hope. But they can’t let people find out. Because it would reveal just how shitty we have it, for no goddam reason, and how good life could be. Keep coping I guess.
    - TeaBrain 2y ago
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      - surfpel 2y ago
        This thread has devolved into something quite gross, though I shouldn't have expected anything more, based on your first comment. Have a nice day.
        TeaBrain 2y ago
        From my perspective, it had already devolved when you started making dishonest whataboutisms and accusations of being "indoctrinated" in your comments. Just to humor you though, what is the "truth" that you say you were enlightened of?

bigcat12345678 2y ago

Great harmony is not "everyone feeling good" Great harmony is about creating a system that can peacefully forcing everyone into their position and not go out of boundary.