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I'm pretty sure the bar for 'like' does imply there are still many things that are not alike. The title is not 'how China and 19th century US are exactly the sa

I'm pretty sure the bar for 'like' does imply there are still many things that are not alike. The title is not 'how China and 19th century US are exactly the same'. I think the US raised interest rates in part to put the breaks on Chinas economy but the US was unable to keep high rates for longer without tanking it's own economy. That China and the US have bubble ponzi economies is one way I do think they are alike. I'm in disagreement with the Peter Zeihan with his predictions of a population bust with aging. I do agree there will be some population decline but Chinese old people are vastly cheaper than US old people and if they have to will work right up until the point they keel over. I really don't know which country is in a worse state but most people I know do not believe the US can continue in it's current state for much longer. Compared to that China does not seem that bad - but that could just be because I'm too far removed to see it's warts. The traditional way of managing civil discontent is by exporting it with a war, so as much as I hope China does not have a civil war I would rather they have a civil war than intentionally trigger an international war. Not sure how you square the US support for Israel as part of the global-humanist effort by the US. A nationalistic US would not support a nationalistic Israel.

yonisto 2y ago
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- cjbgkagh 2y ago
  I would not have called a Chinese invasion of Taiwan a civil war - not sure of your point there. My reference to a Chinese civil war was like how I would image a US civil war. Start out as a small outburst of grievances and quickly grow. Israel has made a grave mistake and is only now just starting to realize it - views made public with the 'painful concessions' speech made 4 days ago. Due to modern weaponry we no longer live in a world were you can relatively cheaply maintain dominance over your neighbors. In my view the failure to navigate this new state of affairs could be terminal. The US can no longer afford to bail them out of a major regional war.
  - yonisto 2y ago
    China is referring to Taiwan as break away province and see this all thing as internal affair. I thought that what you were hinting. Regarding Israel, I don't think it has made any grave mistakes. The 'Iron Beam' is set to be deployed next year, which will resolve most of the cost issues. I’ll refrain from discussing the future of this war until the U.S. elections, as that will be a pivotal moment
- TeaBrain 2y ago
  Is this what they were referring to by "civil war" or were they referring to the possibility of a civil war breaking out between provinces in the PRC due to their mention of the economic bubble bursting.
- Neonlicht 2y ago
  Ever noticed that the Israeli flag has a religious symbol in it? Very curious. As a citizen of a secular nation with separation of church and state it's difficult to ignore.
  - yonisto 2y ago
    Have you ever seen Hamas flag? It literally contains the opening sentence from the Quran. Amazing how you were able to ignore it.
contingencies 2y ago
Not sure I mentioned the US, and I certainly didn't give an opinion on US support for Israel, a subject which has in many people's view become impossible to discuss openly. I believe you refer to the Trump election outcome with regards to claims of cessation of support for foreign conflicts. I do not follow US politics to any depth but my uninformed impression was that he perhaps wants to dethrone or progressively de-fund the defense industry who have historically backed various political or business rivals. Probably this is a part truth. But yes, the US is certainly in a difficult position with its socioeconomic trajectory, and the current election is a powder keg. A somewhat popular meme in the expat community in China has long been that the US and China are just converging on the same future from different paths. Those who have lived for extended periods in both places can see the truths behind this suggestion. It has been said that "Our true nationality is mankind", but I think it better to state "Our true nationality is Eukaryote". We should care more about the environment and other species' outcomes, not obsess over monkey-squabbles.
- cjbgkagh 2y ago
  You're talking about nation support for Zionist Israel and that's pretty much just the US. The US is the worlds current hegemon and it's current policy of exporting liberal democracy is part of the globalist effort to instill and maintain a rules based world order. I consider that to be globalism and the opposite of nationalism. Trump is merely wearing the cloak of nationalism in order to get elected which I guess is why it gets confusing - Zionism is a wedge issue in the culture war and an ability for the right wing to take part in grievance politics. Evangelicals have also been thoroughly brainwashed to support Zionist Israel but those are dying out and the new ones are smaller in number and have a net negative view of Israel. Support for Israel was already on a demographic timer which has only just gotten much shorter since Oct 7th. We're going to see some weird things in the near future.
  - contingencies 2y ago
    In a spirit of share the wealth if you still actually believe the export part, you might benefit from reading more Chomsky and maybe Confessions of an Economic Hitman. Religious fervor is associated with low standards of education, and organized religion with politics. One good takedown is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZRcYaAYWg4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZRcYaAYWg4

yonisto 2y ago

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cjbgkagh 2y ago
I would not have called a Chinese invasion of Taiwan a civil war - not sure of your point there. My reference to a Chinese civil war was like how I would image a US civil war. Start out as a small outburst of grievances and quickly grow. Israel has made a grave mistake and is only now just starting to realize it - views made public with the 'painful concessions' speech made 4 days ago. Due to modern weaponry we no longer live in a world were you can relatively cheaply maintain dominance over your neighbors. In my view the failure to navigate this new state of affairs could be terminal. The US can no longer afford to bail them out of a major regional war.
- yonisto 2y ago
  China is referring to Taiwan as break away province and see this all thing as internal affair. I thought that what you were hinting. Regarding Israel, I don't think it has made any grave mistakes. The 'Iron Beam' is set to be deployed next year, which will resolve most of the cost issues. I’ll refrain from discussing the future of this war until the U.S. elections, as that will be a pivotal moment
TeaBrain 2y ago
Is this what they were referring to by "civil war" or were they referring to the possibility of a civil war breaking out between provinces in the PRC due to their mention of the economic bubble bursting.
Neonlicht 2y ago
Ever noticed that the Israeli flag has a religious symbol in it? Very curious. As a citizen of a secular nation with separation of church and state it's difficult to ignore.
- yonisto 2y ago
  Have you ever seen Hamas flag? It literally contains the opening sentence from the Quran. Amazing how you were able to ignore it.

contingencies 2y ago

Not sure I mentioned the US, and I certainly didn't give an opinion on US support for Israel, a subject which has in many people's view become impossible to discuss openly. I believe you refer to the Trump election outcome with regards to claims of cessation of support for foreign conflicts. I do not follow US politics to any depth but my uninformed impression was that he perhaps wants to dethrone or progressively de-fund the defense industry who have historically backed various political or business rivals. Probably this is a part truth. But yes, the US is certainly in a difficult position with its socioeconomic trajectory, and the current election is a powder keg. A somewhat popular meme in the expat community in China has long been that the US and China are just converging on the same future from different paths. Those who have lived for extended periods in both places can see the truths behind this suggestion. It has been said that "Our true nationality is mankind", but I think it better to state "Our true nationality is Eukaryote". We should care more about the environment and other species' outcomes, not obsess over monkey-squabbles.

cjbgkagh 2y ago
You're talking about nation support for Zionist Israel and that's pretty much just the US. The US is the worlds current hegemon and it's current policy of exporting liberal democracy is part of the globalist effort to instill and maintain a rules based world order. I consider that to be globalism and the opposite of nationalism. Trump is merely wearing the cloak of nationalism in order to get elected which I guess is why it gets confusing - Zionism is a wedge issue in the culture war and an ability for the right wing to take part in grievance politics. Evangelicals have also been thoroughly brainwashed to support Zionist Israel but those are dying out and the new ones are smaller in number and have a net negative view of Israel. Support for Israel was already on a demographic timer which has only just gotten much shorter since Oct 7th. We're going to see some weird things in the near future.
- contingencies 2y ago
  In a spirit of share the wealth if you still actually believe the export part, you might benefit from reading more Chomsky and maybe Confessions of an Economic Hitman. Religious fervor is associated with low standards of education, and organized religion with politics. One good takedown is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZRcYaAYWg4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZRcYaAYWg4