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This is closer to truth China is on its own league. The nation has repeatedly claim the largest nation under the same culture heritage and political evolution,

This is closer to truth China is on its own league. The nation has repeatedly claim the largest nation under the same culture heritage and political evolution, and economy development for over 2000 years, non-stopping. And among the time, claimed the longest period of time among the most powerful nations as well. China's transformation since 1840, is a 200 years turmoil that repeated before in that 2000 years history. When Xi Jinping proclaimed that now is the juncture of major-changes-unseen-in-a-century, the idea is that China was already in a changing period that unseen in thousands of years, which was proclaimed by Li Hongzhang. You see, China as a nation understand her own heritage and destiny. Her role is to be the manifestation of the Mandate of Heave, to build the great harmony that everyone under heaven can life peacefully together. That's different than western heritage, which is built upon dominance and hierarchy. Both are powerful systems that align with some of the most fundamental aspects of human nature. And each of these 2 systems also internally manifested the counterpart. For example, Chinese system emphasize hierarchy from the Confucious, and a spirit of rebellion ignited by Chen Sheng & Wu Guang's line of "Are kings and nobles given their high status by birth?". West system emphasis harmony in Christian teaching. [1] https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-long-game-chinas-grand-strategy-to-displace-american-order/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-long-game-chinas-gran...

rootusrootus 2y ago
> to build the great harmony that everyone under heaven can life peacefully together Do the Taiwanese feel comforted by statements like that?
- TeaBrain 2y ago
  Or the other countries like the Philippines and Vietnam that dispute China's excessive maritime claims. That claim isn't really surprising in light of the rest of their comment which is essentially repeating the PRC creation myth.
- mitthrowaway2 2y ago
  Perhaps "harmony" is a polite word for what remains after you subtract all dissonant sounds.
  - bigcat12345678 2y ago
    Not wrong. None of political is moral. Only morality makes political bearable.
- surfpel 2y ago
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  - rootusrootus 2y ago
    > What was that about You said it yourself. Your entire comment is whataboutism. The discussion was about China, not the history of the US.
    - surfpel 2y ago
      > You said it yourself LOL what. It's called 'perspective', not 'whataboutism'. 'Whataboutism' supposes a level of equivalence that does not exist here. Westerners whining about Taiwan is like a serial robber complaining that their victim didn't capitulate.
      - Vecr 2y ago
        Personally I'd support a supermajority process, similar to a US constitutional change, started in both mainland China and Taiwan so they both have the same constitution. Once that happens the merging of the countries could carefully proceed. I'm not sure how you're going to get both population, subdivision, and political supermajorities for the same new constitution in both countries though.
        surfpel 2y ago
        Hot take: China is rising. They’re clearly prioritizing the wellbeing of their people through infrastructure and social programs. They’ve also developed a reputation among the global south (as well as the majority of their neighbors, despite western media) as a benevolent “win-win” trading & investment partner. Given these developments, I think it’s possible that Taiwan will agree to some kind of “100 year transition” to full reunification in the future, once it becomes clear that they’re better off under PRC rule vs American occupation. They don’t even need the same constitution. Hong Kong has it’s own constitution. It’s not even a state, it’s literally just a city.
- bigcat12345678 2y ago
  Great harmony is not "everyone feeling good" Great harmony is about creating a system that can peacefully forcing everyone into their position and not go out of boundary.
TeaBrain 2y ago
Looks like you only read the first paragraph of their comment.
- bigcat12345678 2y ago
  Not surprised. But all Chinese knows the art of tense and relax, forward and retreat. If you think Chinese are depressed because of some GDP numbers, then you are a normal non-Chinese individuals. When I say Chinese being fundamentally different, I do mean that normal non-Chinese individual indeed cannot make sense of China.
  - TeaBrain 2y ago
    This is an interesting idea, but I'm not sure the Chinese I've met have been taught this technique. Also, I don't think most people in any given country usually get depressed about GDP numbers. They'll more likely get depressed when they can't find a job.
rustcleaner 2y ago
Can't wait to pull out Manifest Destiny again! :DDD Going to be training my nephews on raid techniques and Sun Tzu...

rootusrootus 2y ago

> to build the great harmony that everyone under heaven can life peacefully together Do the Taiwanese feel comforted by statements like that?

TeaBrain 2y ago
Or the other countries like the Philippines and Vietnam that dispute China's excessive maritime claims. That claim isn't really surprising in light of the rest of their comment which is essentially repeating the PRC creation myth.
mitthrowaway2 2y ago
Perhaps "harmony" is a polite word for what remains after you subtract all dissonant sounds.
- bigcat12345678 2y ago
  Not wrong. None of political is moral. Only morality makes political bearable.
surfpel 2y ago
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- rootusrootus 2y ago
  > What was that about You said it yourself. Your entire comment is whataboutism. The discussion was about China, not the history of the US.
  - surfpel 2y ago
    > You said it yourself LOL what. It's called 'perspective', not 'whataboutism'. 'Whataboutism' supposes a level of equivalence that does not exist here. Westerners whining about Taiwan is like a serial robber complaining that their victim didn't capitulate.
    - Vecr 2y ago
      Personally I'd support a supermajority process, similar to a US constitutional change, started in both mainland China and Taiwan so they both have the same constitution. Once that happens the merging of the countries could carefully proceed. I'm not sure how you're going to get both population, subdivision, and political supermajorities for the same new constitution in both countries though.
      - surfpel 2y ago
        Hot take: China is rising. They’re clearly prioritizing the wellbeing of their people through infrastructure and social programs. They’ve also developed a reputation among the global south (as well as the majority of their neighbors, despite western media) as a benevolent “win-win” trading & investment partner. Given these developments, I think it’s possible that Taiwan will agree to some kind of “100 year transition” to full reunification in the future, once it becomes clear that they’re better off under PRC rule vs American occupation. They don’t even need the same constitution. Hong Kong has it’s own constitution. It’s not even a state, it’s literally just a city.
bigcat12345678 2y ago
Great harmony is not "everyone feeling good" Great harmony is about creating a system that can peacefully forcing everyone into their position and not go out of boundary.

TeaBrain 2y ago

Looks like you only read the first paragraph of their comment.

bigcat12345678 2y ago
Not surprised. But all Chinese knows the art of tense and relax, forward and retreat. If you think Chinese are depressed because of some GDP numbers, then you are a normal non-Chinese individuals. When I say Chinese being fundamentally different, I do mean that normal non-Chinese individual indeed cannot make sense of China.
- TeaBrain 2y ago
  This is an interesting idea, but I'm not sure the Chinese I've met have been taught this technique. Also, I don't think most people in any given country usually get depressed about GDP numbers. They'll more likely get depressed when they can't find a job.

rustcleaner 2y ago

Can't wait to pull out Manifest Destiny again! :DDD Going to be training my nephews on raid techniques and Sun Tzu...