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> I'd say job posts have to be truthful, and it's by default implied that they actually good faith intend to fill the position as described, in a timely manner,

by arp242 2y ago

> I'd say job posts have to be truthful, and it's by default implied that they actually good faith intend to fill the position as described, in a timely manner, and that interviews will only be conducted in good faith. If the default isn't true, they should disclose that. Very few people would disagree with that premise. The thing is that bad faith actors doing bad faith things are not going to abide by the rules on their own accord, on account of being bad faith actors. So you need enforcement, and I don't really see how HN can enforce any of the things you posted. They're not really in a position to vet anything more than you or I can. Maybe the initial "who is hiring" post should be more explicit about the lack of moderation and vetting instead.

neilv 2y ago
There's definitely a chunk of bad-faith people, who'll lie, cheat, and steal, but I think it's the minority. There's a lot of questionable things that decent people do, in good faith, because they consider it normal and OK. If you tell people "actually, the convention here on that is something different", then I think most will respect that. One way this doesn't work is if there's a lack of trust. For example, if an employer claims it values X, but actually behaves like Y, employees are less likely to do X, and also less likely to trust or respect the company on anything else. Another way the HN example doesn't work as well is if the person has strong motivation otherwise. For example, if their boss told them to post a fake job on HN, and they really don't want to come back and say they can't because they just saw a new rule. But a lot of other times, the person doing the posting has more autonomy, or a more decent work environment. A lot of guessing here, but I think stating a convention would help significantly.
- arp242 2y ago
  Maybe; I don't want too be too cynical about it, but I suspect many people don't really read it in the first place, and if you're the sort of person posting fake jobs then I don't expect you're really deterred by this.
  - neilv 2y ago
    Good point about not many people reading it, but there was a nice all-caps "NEW RULE" at the top today, so we'll see. Definitely some people who will disregard rules they know are rules, but I think there's also a lot of people who just thought fake job posts were the convention, and now they'll change behavior.

by arp242 2y ago

neilv 2y ago

There's definitely a chunk of bad-faith people, who'll lie, cheat, and steal, but I think it's the minority. There's a lot of questionable things that decent people do, in good faith, because they consider it normal and OK. If you tell people "actually, the convention here on that is something different", then I think most will respect that. One way this doesn't work is if there's a lack of trust. For example, if an employer claims it values X, but actually behaves like Y, employees are less likely to do X, and also less likely to trust or respect the company on anything else. Another way the HN example doesn't work as well is if the person has strong motivation otherwise. For example, if their boss told them to post a fake job on HN, and they really don't want to come back and say they can't because they just saw a new rule. But a lot of other times, the person doing the posting has more autonomy, or a more decent work environment. A lot of guessing here, but I think stating a convention would help significantly.

arp242 2y ago
Maybe; I don't want too be too cynical about it, but I suspect many people don't really read it in the first place, and if you're the sort of person posting fake jobs then I don't expect you're really deterred by this.
- neilv 2y ago
  Good point about not many people reading it, but there was a nice all-caps "NEW RULE" at the top today, so we'll see. Definitely some people who will disregard rules they know are rules, but I think there's also a lot of people who just thought fake job posts were the convention, and now they'll change behavior.