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> You can absolutely to a high degree protect and store data, including the safe removal. > An organisation like Apple should absolutely be forced to delete th

by nicce 2y ago

> You can absolutely to a high degree protect and store data, including the safe removal. > An organisation like Apple should absolutely be forced to delete the data, especially data collected using deceptive tactics As long as there are no consequences (regulation checks with fines) of not doing it correctly and/or if there is no observability and enforceability, it is just talk and does not matter in practice. Essentially, until the previous applies, it is just exchanging trust with words.

Gud 2y ago
Why? Why can’t the default state be that I can trust my vendors of software not to gobble up my most private information? OpenBSD has never sent my passwords to Theo’s basement. I trust them without regulations. But more importantly, there’s a crew of capable hackers dissecting the code.
- nicce 2y ago
  I would like that default, but otherwise it is a bit silly assumption. 1. You can't demand something that cannot be enforced/monitored 2. You can't enforce/ push monitoring if there is no regulation in place, and systems are not transparent. 3. Enforcement/monitoring does not matter if there is no stick (fines) present In the case of OpenBSD, you are using open system that you can verify your self. That alone makes them less likely to do something malicious (since they might get caught more likely!) and changes the trust. There is no financial carrot to make Apple products visible, as most of the users don't understand a thing about the technology and marketing might be more efficient than opening technology, which might result in intellectual property theft and lose of market position. Since everything cannot be transparent in a competitive and commercial world, I think it would be okay to put at least 10 times bigger fines for those who do not have transparent systems and get caught on not following the regulations to get some balance.
  - Gud 2y ago
    That there isn’t an open, mobile hardware platform is a failure of the community, in my opinion.. although some have the right ideas, framework as an example of an open laptop platform. We desperately need a free hard- & software (*nix) mobile platform, that is not exclusively owned by a for profit mega corporation and somewhat mainstream amongst the hacker community. Even better would be competing systems. I imagine these systems to have a high degree of modularity, incl. battery, and memory upgrades. This is not an easy undertaking. I don’t think regulating the megacorps is the answer. In a commercial world, they have the deeper pockets

by nicce 2y ago

Gud 2y ago

Why? Why can’t the default state be that I can trust my vendors of software not to gobble up my most private information? OpenBSD has never sent my passwords to Theo’s basement. I trust them without regulations. But more importantly, there’s a crew of capable hackers dissecting the code.

nicce 2y ago
I would like that default, but otherwise it is a bit silly assumption. 1. You can't demand something that cannot be enforced/monitored 2. You can't enforce/ push monitoring if there is no regulation in place, and systems are not transparent. 3. Enforcement/monitoring does not matter if there is no stick (fines) present In the case of OpenBSD, you are using open system that you can verify your self. That alone makes them less likely to do something malicious (since they might get caught more likely!) and changes the trust. There is no financial carrot to make Apple products visible, as most of the users don't understand a thing about the technology and marketing might be more efficient than opening technology, which might result in intellectual property theft and lose of market position. Since everything cannot be transparent in a competitive and commercial world, I think it would be okay to put at least 10 times bigger fines for those who do not have transparent systems and get caught on not following the regulations to get some balance.
- Gud 2y ago
  That there isn’t an open, mobile hardware platform is a failure of the community, in my opinion.. although some have the right ideas, framework as an example of an open laptop platform. We desperately need a free hard- & software (*nix) mobile platform, that is not exclusively owned by a for profit mega corporation and somewhat mainstream amongst the hacker community. Even better would be competing systems. I imagine these systems to have a high degree of modularity, incl. battery, and memory upgrades. This is not an easy undertaking. I don’t think regulating the megacorps is the answer. In a commercial world, they have the deeper pockets