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Most people go to restaurants because of the social benefits, not the labour savings. The idea of people or groups of people siloing themselves into their ultr

Most people go to restaurants because of the social benefits, not the labour savings. The idea of people or groups of people siloing themselves into their ultra-convenient homes and never interact with others is a dystopia and a sure sign of an already broken community.

exe34 2y ago
hey now, some of us are fed up being around other people.
bongobingo1 2y ago
Isn't that the predominant trend already? Since like, the 70s.
netruk44 2y ago
Well, that feels like a rather extreme jump to conclusions, and was certainly not something I thought the GP comment was even suggesting. I don't see any reason why people couldn't adjust from meeting friends at restaurants to hosting friends at home instead. (Unless, of course, your living space is limited) If you aren't cooking and cleaning up after, what's the difference between that and meeting someone at a restaurant?
- astura 2y ago
  I can think of some differences: 1) You get out of your house. 2) You don't have leftovers from a big meal to deal with. 3) You can duck out early without having to kick everyone out.. 4) you can fit a LOT more people at a restaurant.
- closewith 2y ago
  > If you aren't cooking and cleaning up after, what's the difference between that and meeting someone at a restaurant? I wonder if you realise how dystopian your life already is to consider this question reasonable. There is a difference between a co-located set of siloed people and a community. The inability to recognise this means your community is already broken.
  - a_c_s 2y ago
    I don't understand the distinction you are making: two couples (4 people) meeting at a restaurant is, to me, equally social as one couple going to another couple's house to eat dinner.
    - closewith 2y ago
      Four people in a public space interacting with the rest of the community is fundamentally different to four people in an isolated silo.
      - TylerE 2y ago
        Having to listen to some drunk two tables over matter away is not desirable community interaction. It’s nice to be able to carry on a conversation somewhere there isn’t a constant din.
        closewith 2y ago
        [flagged]
        TylerE 2y ago
        Please stop telling me how I'm supposed to feel. It's dismissive and incredibly rude. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        closewith 2y ago
        With respect, you're making your own feelings clear. I'm not ascribing any emotion to you. However, it is clear you lack the perspective to understand how globally unusual or fundamentally broken your community and your interactions with it are.
        2y ago
infecto 2y ago
Perhaps that's true in your country, but not in the US. That said, the logic doesn't fully hold up. I can see it making sense if the goal were purely for the restaurant experience, but if I could replicate the food at home using a bot, I'd be inviting all my friends over to eat at my place instead. In the US, I think it would be hard to say that most people go to restaurants for social benefits.
- usrusr 2y ago
  > I'd be inviting all my friends over to eat at my place instead. Ironically, this reads to me like a rather American thing. Simply based on typical dwelling size. There's a lot of nights at a restaurant (or cheaper: some venue specializing in space + some catering for groups instead of the full restaurant experience) I could buy for the cost of keeping a dining room able to host a non-tiny group of friends around all year. In American sprawl, with those hardly-more-than-cardboard construction standards? Sure, no problem.
  - infecto 2y ago
    > "hardly-more-than-cardboard construction standards" You are a silly person, what does this even have to do with cooking? Sorry America has got you so upset. Do you even have a counterpoint to what I said beyond your weird hate for America? Most of the places I have traveled and lived in around the world, most people are not going out to eat for socializing but for the elimination of the labor and time it takes to cook the same meal at home. Sure socialization can play a role but thats not the prime value.
usrusr 2y ago
It's a dystopia all right, but one that is already very real. WFH is a reality for many, groceries to the door hasn't become mainstream yet but the supermarket might well be on the trajectory taken by book stores two decades earlier and people who don't attend outdoor or team sports can have surprisingly few occasions to leave home unless they go out of their way to find an excuse.
- aftbit 2y ago
  I'm in this dystopia: WFH, delivery groceries, delivery meals when I'm feeling lazy. If I didn't have a dog, I'd probably only leave my house on the weekend. IMO it's not so bad. I don't miss grocery shopping. I do miss walking to work up Powell St. I do know my neighbors though, and talk to them on a pretty regular basis. I don't like sports especially, but I also do have some recreational hobbies that get me outside.
  - TylerE 2y ago
    That's more or less my life, except that I don't live somewhere walkable, and do still buy groceries in person (although I will, especially when my mobility/fatigue/general health issues acting up, use their curbside service), but that store is a 2 minute drive from my house. As I mentioned, I have medical issues that are currently rather sucky and limiting, and being chronic, largely irreversible conditions, well, they aren't gonna get better. Maybe with stem cells one day... Anyway, point being that these sort of services (which, in my case, can also be stuff like... buying the pre-cut fruit rather than whole) can be a pretty big deal for the disabled.
- kelvinjps10 2y ago
  Although this is your reality most of thr time, people need to go out with family/friends, from time to time. So when they disappear where people are going to go?
- bayindirh 2y ago
  Just because I can order everything I need for home with a couple of taps (which I can, BTW), work from home time to time, and can cook and clean by myself doesn't mean that I don't need to leave home. Taking a long tour along the neighborhood, to see what I want to buy first hand before pulling the trigger, or seeing an old friend and getting a nice coffee at that café are all valid reasons to go out. Getting fresh air, regularly walking, seeing a couple of different and unknown faces are regular maintenance tasks for the body and brain. I don't think humans should hole up at their homes and work/doom scroll/eat/doom scroll/sleep/repeat just because they can. That's unhealthy for every aspect of your body and life to begin with.
compootr 2y ago
I think there's an episode about this in Love+Death+Robots
llm_trw 2y ago
Alternatively the idea that people don't entertain at home is a sign of a completely broken housing market where you get a human storage unit rather than a home.

exe34 2y ago

hey now, some of us are fed up being around other people.

bongobingo1 2y ago

Isn't that the predominant trend already? Since like, the 70s.

netruk44 2y ago

Well, that feels like a rather extreme jump to conclusions, and was certainly not something I thought the GP comment was even suggesting. I don't see any reason why people couldn't adjust from meeting friends at restaurants to hosting friends at home instead. (Unless, of course, your living space is limited) If you aren't cooking and cleaning up after, what's the difference between that and meeting someone at a restaurant?

astura 2y ago
I can think of some differences: 1) You get out of your house. 2) You don't have leftovers from a big meal to deal with. 3) You can duck out early without having to kick everyone out.. 4) you can fit a LOT more people at a restaurant.
closewith 2y ago
> If you aren't cooking and cleaning up after, what's the difference between that and meeting someone at a restaurant? I wonder if you realise how dystopian your life already is to consider this question reasonable. There is a difference between a co-located set of siloed people and a community. The inability to recognise this means your community is already broken.
- a_c_s 2y ago
  I don't understand the distinction you are making: two couples (4 people) meeting at a restaurant is, to me, equally social as one couple going to another couple's house to eat dinner.
  - closewith 2y ago
    Four people in a public space interacting with the rest of the community is fundamentally different to four people in an isolated silo.
    - TylerE 2y ago
      Having to listen to some drunk two tables over matter away is not desirable community interaction. It’s nice to be able to carry on a conversation somewhere there isn’t a constant din.
      - closewith 2y ago
        [flagged]
        TylerE 2y ago
        Please stop telling me how I'm supposed to feel. It's dismissive and incredibly rude. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        closewith 2y ago
        With respect, you're making your own feelings clear. I'm not ascribing any emotion to you. However, it is clear you lack the perspective to understand how globally unusual or fundamentally broken your community and your interactions with it are.
        2y ago

infecto 2y ago

Perhaps that's true in your country, but not in the US. That said, the logic doesn't fully hold up. I can see it making sense if the goal were purely for the restaurant experience, but if I could replicate the food at home using a bot, I'd be inviting all my friends over to eat at my place instead. In the US, I think it would be hard to say that most people go to restaurants for social benefits.

usrusr 2y ago
> I'd be inviting all my friends over to eat at my place instead. Ironically, this reads to me like a rather American thing. Simply based on typical dwelling size. There's a lot of nights at a restaurant (or cheaper: some venue specializing in space + some catering for groups instead of the full restaurant experience) I could buy for the cost of keeping a dining room able to host a non-tiny group of friends around all year. In American sprawl, with those hardly-more-than-cardboard construction standards? Sure, no problem.
- infecto 2y ago
  > "hardly-more-than-cardboard construction standards" You are a silly person, what does this even have to do with cooking? Sorry America has got you so upset. Do you even have a counterpoint to what I said beyond your weird hate for America? Most of the places I have traveled and lived in around the world, most people are not going out to eat for socializing but for the elimination of the labor and time it takes to cook the same meal at home. Sure socialization can play a role but thats not the prime value.

usrusr 2y ago

It's a dystopia all right, but one that is already very real. WFH is a reality for many, groceries to the door hasn't become mainstream yet but the supermarket might well be on the trajectory taken by book stores two decades earlier and people who don't attend outdoor or team sports can have surprisingly few occasions to leave home unless they go out of their way to find an excuse.

aftbit 2y ago
I'm in this dystopia: WFH, delivery groceries, delivery meals when I'm feeling lazy. If I didn't have a dog, I'd probably only leave my house on the weekend. IMO it's not so bad. I don't miss grocery shopping. I do miss walking to work up Powell St. I do know my neighbors though, and talk to them on a pretty regular basis. I don't like sports especially, but I also do have some recreational hobbies that get me outside.
- TylerE 2y ago
  That's more or less my life, except that I don't live somewhere walkable, and do still buy groceries in person (although I will, especially when my mobility/fatigue/general health issues acting up, use their curbside service), but that store is a 2 minute drive from my house. As I mentioned, I have medical issues that are currently rather sucky and limiting, and being chronic, largely irreversible conditions, well, they aren't gonna get better. Maybe with stem cells one day... Anyway, point being that these sort of services (which, in my case, can also be stuff like... buying the pre-cut fruit rather than whole) can be a pretty big deal for the disabled.
kelvinjps10 2y ago
Although this is your reality most of thr time, people need to go out with family/friends, from time to time. So when they disappear where people are going to go?
bayindirh 2y ago
Just because I can order everything I need for home with a couple of taps (which I can, BTW), work from home time to time, and can cook and clean by myself doesn't mean that I don't need to leave home. Taking a long tour along the neighborhood, to see what I want to buy first hand before pulling the trigger, or seeing an old friend and getting a nice coffee at that café are all valid reasons to go out. Getting fresh air, regularly walking, seeing a couple of different and unknown faces are regular maintenance tasks for the body and brain. I don't think humans should hole up at their homes and work/doom scroll/eat/doom scroll/sleep/repeat just because they can. That's unhealthy for every aspect of your body and life to begin with.

compootr 2y ago

I think there's an episode about this in Love+Death+Robots

llm_trw 2y ago

Alternatively the idea that people don't entertain at home is a sign of a completely broken housing market where you get a human storage unit rather than a home.