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We used say boat stood for. Break out another thousand

by jjordy 2y ago

AstroJetson 2y ago
A “boat buck” Is $1000. How much was the bottom paint? All up pretty cheap, 7 boat bucks. Boats are just holes in the water that your throw money into.
- jcgrillo 2y ago
  Bottom paint is about $250/gal. It takes us about half a day to sand the hull and roll on a layer. My 40' sailboat can be covered with 1 generous coat with 1gal with a little left over. $7k for bottom paint must either be a huge boat, an expensive crew, or both. It's just not all that expensive if you're willing to put in a little effort.
  - SOLAR_FIELDS 2y ago
    I’m no boat expert but doesn’t your statement imply some level of ease of dragging a boat out of the water to perform this operation? Something tells me that pulling a 40 foot sailboat out of the water, turning it over, painting it, and returning it into the water isn’t necessarily the most straightforward operation. A lot of complexity is probably loaded into “it takes us” and if we took a gander at the hourly rates of everyone involved in said operation as well as the upfront cost of the equipment to perform said operation as well as the safety measures required to execute the operation properly I feel like we would be a lot closer to the $7k number than the $250 number
    - 12thhandyman 2y ago
      You just take the boat to the travel lift and it hoists out pretty easy. Under 1 or 2 boat bucks for in/out lift, dry storage, and paint if you DIY is reasonable for smaller vessels, like under 30’. The tough part is scheduling and finding a boatyard if there’s not one close. Your nautical mileage may vary
      - 6510 2y ago
        You have to pretend the DIY is free, or even fun. Boat people are usually not cheap to hire.
        jcgrillo 2y ago
        If you don't enjoy working on boats owning one sure would get expensive. I guess I'm lucky in that I don't have to pretend? Sure beats office politics, I wish it paid nearly as well as computers.
        potato3732842 2y ago
        > Boat people are usually not cheap to hire. Costs a lot of money to make people put up with boat owners.
    - jcgrillo 2y ago
      I didn't factor in haul out and storage because that's a separate thing from bottom paint. Haul out and transport costs about $1k/yr and storage cost over the winter is a further $1k. Hourly labor rates are $0, I share ownership with 2 other people and we all pitch in.
    - emiliobumachar 2y ago
      Turning it over seems unnecessary. Good point overall, though.
    - _yb2s 2y ago
      This can be done for free by just beaching the boat and working during low tide. Although that can be illegal nowadays in some places. Plus a 40 foot boat is much larger than required for cruising anywhere you want- if your boat fits on a trailer it is not only easy to paint, but probably can get by without any.
  - bboygravity 2y ago
    If you're an engineer, I'm just going to x3 to x10 that time estimate to come to something realistic, just like I do with the engineers at work. That way it includes going to buy the paint and sandpaper, putting the boat in a drydock or otherwise on land, finding and dragging out the tools and getting power to them, drying the boat, cleaning it, eating, toilet breaks, taping off the edges etc, letting the paint dry, cleaning up everything afterwards, putting the boat back into the water and probably tons more that I missed. x5 sounds about right for this one.
    - yobbo 2y ago
      It depends. For example, if the previous paint contains environmentally harmful compounds, you can not sand it without the infrastructure to collect the dust. The details depend on the location (regulation), but typically you need to hire this out. Sanding takes multiple person-days and can be the wrong method (depending on details). Media blasting (like soda) is much preferred but requires machines and infrastructure to collect the run-off. In ideal situations, sanding is not necessary at all. It can be several boat bucks, or just about a hundred dollars. It depends.
      - jcgrillo 2y ago
        It does contain harmful compounds. It wouldn't work to prevent growth otherwise. You use a random orbit sander hooked up to a shop vac just like when you sand anything else (unless you prefer dust going everywhere). For a 40' sailboat it doesn't take multiple person days, it takes about a quarter of a person day. More if you really have to take off a lot of layered up material. And you're right, blasting would work better in that case.
        jabl 2y ago
        > It does contain harmful compounds. It wouldn't work to prevent growth otherwise. Nowadays there exists bottom paints such as polysiloxane based ones that work by creating a very hard and smooth surface that critters find it very hard to attach to, rather than poisoning them.
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  - AYBABTME 2y ago
    7k$ is about what yards quoted for such a job in NorCal. It's easy to DIY if you know what to do, but (1) it's a nasty job (2) it's toxic (3) it takes time and (4) you still end up paying about 2k$ if you're thrifty (in NorCal). I both hired and DIYd the job and it's a wash as to whether one prevails over the other. If I were doing nothing else but boating fulltime, I'd DIY it. But I have a job and family.
    - jcgrillo 2y ago
      It is a nasty job, respirator with VOC filters mandatory and the clothes you wear doing it will never be the same again
  - AstroJetson 2y ago
    Hi, 45' boat owner here. Steps are pull the boat out by travel lift and block it. Power wash the bottom. Put up dust barrier. Don tyvek suit and mask. Sand with dust hose. Power wash the bottom. Paint first coat. Dry. Paint Second coat. Dry. Lift boat move blocking pads. Paint pad area. Dry. Paint Second coat. Dry. Launch boat by travel lift. Paint is $320 per gallon I need 2 gallons and a quart. Total time is 2 days if they hustle, 3 if the pull is late in the day. Lucky for me, they have not found blisters or any thing that takes fiberglass work, that adds time. Last time I had it done it was $6450 including tax. 7 boat bucks.
    - jcgrillo 2y ago
      Your process, while undeniably more correct than mine, is substantially more involved. Mine goes like this: 1. In the fall, drive the boat onto the hauler's trailer, unstep the masts, and transport it to the yard. Place on blocks and pressure wash. 2. Winterize the boat, wait for spring. 3. In the spring, break out the shop vac and sander and sand the hull. Since it's a multi season ablative paint, don't sand it all off--just enough to smooth it out and get the dried, hard top layer off. 4. Roll on a coat of paint. 5. When the truck arrives to splash the boat, slap some paint on the spots where the stands' pads were, and where the blocks were under the keel. 6. Step and rig the masts. 7. Splash the boat and go sailing. Steps 3-7 take place on two consecutive days, along with a bunch of other maintenance activities.
- justusthane 2y ago
  I just learned about the Aviation Monetary Unit, or “AMU”. Same thing.
- _yb2s 2y ago
  I find sailing to be a fun low cost, sometimes even slightly profitable hobby… I own a very small (17 foot) cruising sailboat I maintain myself and get endless fun for less than the average teenager spends on a cell phone. It has an even smaller sailing dinghy/tender I built myself from old redwood fence planks. It would be the last thing I would sell even if destitute- because although small I could live on it for free, and can also use it to get fresh seafood for free- not to mention traveling without fuel! (to paraphrase Sterling Hayden) my body is only about 6ft long… I sleep as well and have just as much fun on a 17 foot boat as I would on a 184ft boat- and despite being small mine is much more seaworthy than Bayesian was.
  - JanetMcC 2y ago
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We used say boat stood for. Break out another thousand

by jjordy 2y ago

We used say boat stood for. Break out another thousand

A “boat buck” Is $1000. How much was the bottom paint? All up pretty cheap, 7 boat bucks. Boats are just holes in the water that your throw money into.

jcgrillo 2y ago
Bottom paint is about $250/gal. It takes us about half a day to sand the hull and roll on a layer. My 40' sailboat can be covered with 1 generous coat with 1gal with a little left over. $7k for bottom paint must either be a huge boat, an expensive crew, or both. It's just not all that expensive if you're willing to put in a little effort.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 2y ago
  I’m no boat expert but doesn’t your statement imply some level of ease of dragging a boat out of the water to perform this operation? Something tells me that pulling a 40 foot sailboat out of the water, turning it over, painting it, and returning it into the water isn’t necessarily the most straightforward operation. A lot of complexity is probably loaded into “it takes us” and if we took a gander at the hourly rates of everyone involved in said operation as well as the upfront cost of the equipment to perform said operation as well as the safety measures required to execute the operation properly I feel like we would be a lot closer to the $7k number than the $250 number
  - 12thhandyman 2y ago
    You just take the boat to the travel lift and it hoists out pretty easy. Under 1 or 2 boat bucks for in/out lift, dry storage, and paint if you DIY is reasonable for smaller vessels, like under 30’. The tough part is scheduling and finding a boatyard if there’s not one close. Your nautical mileage may vary
    - 6510 2y ago
      You have to pretend the DIY is free, or even fun. Boat people are usually not cheap to hire.
      - jcgrillo 2y ago
        If you don't enjoy working on boats owning one sure would get expensive. I guess I'm lucky in that I don't have to pretend? Sure beats office politics, I wish it paid nearly as well as computers.
      - potato3732842 2y ago
        > Boat people are usually not cheap to hire. Costs a lot of money to make people put up with boat owners.
  - jcgrillo 2y ago
    I didn't factor in haul out and storage because that's a separate thing from bottom paint. Haul out and transport costs about $1k/yr and storage cost over the winter is a further $1k. Hourly labor rates are $0, I share ownership with 2 other people and we all pitch in.
  - emiliobumachar 2y ago
    Turning it over seems unnecessary. Good point overall, though.
  - _yb2s 2y ago
    This can be done for free by just beaching the boat and working during low tide. Although that can be illegal nowadays in some places. Plus a 40 foot boat is much larger than required for cruising anywhere you want- if your boat fits on a trailer it is not only easy to paint, but probably can get by without any.
- bboygravity 2y ago
  If you're an engineer, I'm just going to x3 to x10 that time estimate to come to something realistic, just like I do with the engineers at work. That way it includes going to buy the paint and sandpaper, putting the boat in a drydock or otherwise on land, finding and dragging out the tools and getting power to them, drying the boat, cleaning it, eating, toilet breaks, taping off the edges etc, letting the paint dry, cleaning up everything afterwards, putting the boat back into the water and probably tons more that I missed. x5 sounds about right for this one.
  - yobbo 2y ago
    It depends. For example, if the previous paint contains environmentally harmful compounds, you can not sand it without the infrastructure to collect the dust. The details depend on the location (regulation), but typically you need to hire this out. Sanding takes multiple person-days and can be the wrong method (depending on details). Media blasting (like soda) is much preferred but requires machines and infrastructure to collect the run-off. In ideal situations, sanding is not necessary at all. It can be several boat bucks, or just about a hundred dollars. It depends.
    - jcgrillo 2y ago
      It does contain harmful compounds. It wouldn't work to prevent growth otherwise. You use a random orbit sander hooked up to a shop vac just like when you sand anything else (unless you prefer dust going everywhere). For a 40' sailboat it doesn't take multiple person days, it takes about a quarter of a person day. More if you really have to take off a lot of layered up material. And you're right, blasting would work better in that case.
      - jabl 2y ago
        > It does contain harmful compounds. It wouldn't work to prevent growth otherwise. Nowadays there exists bottom paints such as polysiloxane based ones that work by creating a very hard and smooth surface that critters find it very hard to attach to, rather than poisoning them.
- deleted 2y ago
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- AYBABTME 2y ago
  7k$ is about what yards quoted for such a job in NorCal. It's easy to DIY if you know what to do, but (1) it's a nasty job (2) it's toxic (3) it takes time and (4) you still end up paying about 2k$ if you're thrifty (in NorCal). I both hired and DIYd the job and it's a wash as to whether one prevails over the other. If I were doing nothing else but boating fulltime, I'd DIY it. But I have a job and family.
  - jcgrillo 2y ago
    It is a nasty job, respirator with VOC filters mandatory and the clothes you wear doing it will never be the same again
- AstroJetson 2y ago
  Hi, 45' boat owner here. Steps are pull the boat out by travel lift and block it. Power wash the bottom. Put up dust barrier. Don tyvek suit and mask. Sand with dust hose. Power wash the bottom. Paint first coat. Dry. Paint Second coat. Dry. Lift boat move blocking pads. Paint pad area. Dry. Paint Second coat. Dry. Launch boat by travel lift. Paint is $320 per gallon I need 2 gallons and a quart. Total time is 2 days if they hustle, 3 if the pull is late in the day. Lucky for me, they have not found blisters or any thing that takes fiberglass work, that adds time. Last time I had it done it was $6450 including tax. 7 boat bucks.
  - jcgrillo 2y ago
    Your process, while undeniably more correct than mine, is substantially more involved. Mine goes like this: 1. In the fall, drive the boat onto the hauler's trailer, unstep the masts, and transport it to the yard. Place on blocks and pressure wash. 2. Winterize the boat, wait for spring. 3. In the spring, break out the shop vac and sander and sand the hull. Since it's a multi season ablative paint, don't sand it all off--just enough to smooth it out and get the dried, hard top layer off. 4. Roll on a coat of paint. 5. When the truck arrives to splash the boat, slap some paint on the spots where the stands' pads were, and where the blocks were under the keel. 6. Step and rig the masts. 7. Splash the boat and go sailing. Steps 3-7 take place on two consecutive days, along with a bunch of other maintenance activities.
justusthane 2y ago
I just learned about the Aviation Monetary Unit, or “AMU”. Same thing.
_yb2s 2y ago
I find sailing to be a fun low cost, sometimes even slightly profitable hobby… I own a very small (17 foot) cruising sailboat I maintain myself and get endless fun for less than the average teenager spends on a cell phone. It has an even smaller sailing dinghy/tender I built myself from old redwood fence planks. It would be the last thing I would sell even if destitute- because although small I could live on it for free, and can also use it to get fresh seafood for free- not to mention traveling without fuel! (to paraphrase Sterling Hayden) my body is only about 6ft long… I sleep as well and have just as much fun on a 17 foot boat as I would on a 184ft boat- and despite being small mine is much more seaworthy than Bayesian was.
- JanetMcC 2y ago
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