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In many countries, the Army remained and still remains the main tool used to tame civil unrest. Until the mid 70s, in Switzerland, a very typical western "liber

In many countries, the Army remained and still remains the main tool used to tame civil unrest. Until the mid 70s, in Switzerland, a very typical western "liberal democracy", the Army will still mobilized during times of chaos. Also keep in mind international news channels were present during the riots and reported far less casualties than US-based propaganda newspapers. If you wonder why the US and its subordinates would lie about this, please remember the western world had lost most of its colonies, and very likely saw it as an opportunity to try to take back what it felt was its property. Thus the need to exaggerate those historical "facts" in order to justify sanctions and military interventions, or even the suspension of the Constitution of the PRC. But for example, both Switzerland and the US also went through very bloody times of social upheaval, and yet, those events are long forgotten from public memory. Maybe revisionism happens mostly on another side of the world after all...?

bilekas 2y ago
> But for example, both Switzerland and the US also went through very bloody times of social upheaval, and yet, those events are long forgotten from public memory. They're absolutely not forgotten from public memory and infact a lot of legislation and reforms happened from them. This has definitely gone too political but to me at least, on paper, a national army killing its own civilians who they're supposed to protect seems wrong to me. The US had a civil war, and from that there is a provision that the Army itself cannot be deployed in the US. Switzerland, I THINK you're referencing the Sonderbund war, which again in the 1800's and was infact a civil WAR. Not civil unrest. Don't try to gasslight.
- derelicta 2y ago
  We had the 1977 Moutier riots linked to the (very left-leaning at the time) Jura independance movement. But before that, we had the 1932 Geneva "massacre" where the Army executed 13 strikers, hurting 60 others. It's not gaslighting, its just history has its been taught to me by my leftist grandpa. And I guarantee you, those events are part of Switzerland's forgotten history, simply because Bourgeois do not allow us to remember those, for once again, leftists used to stand for extraordinary concepts such as national sovereignty and workplace democracy.
  - bilekas 2y ago
    That's wild, I'm aware of that one and I spent my life between Ireland and Italy, so to say it's forgotten/whitewashed is simply not true. It's obviously not how things should be done, and there was some agitation that led to the tragedy, but a massacre, it wouldn't reach that in my book. THAT would be considered a civil unrest tragedy. And it came to a resolution with changes made around the Jura. I can't say the same in China, you're right, but they're not the same.

bilekas 2y ago

> But for example, both Switzerland and the US also went through very bloody times of social upheaval, and yet, those events are long forgotten from public memory. They're absolutely not forgotten from public memory and infact a lot of legislation and reforms happened from them. This has definitely gone too political but to me at least, on paper, a national army killing its own civilians who they're supposed to protect seems wrong to me. The US had a civil war, and from that there is a provision that the Army itself cannot be deployed in the US. Switzerland, I THINK you're referencing the Sonderbund war, which again in the 1800's and was infact a civil WAR. Not civil unrest. Don't try to gasslight.

derelicta 2y ago
We had the 1977 Moutier riots linked to the (very left-leaning at the time) Jura independance movement. But before that, we had the 1932 Geneva "massacre" where the Army executed 13 strikers, hurting 60 others. It's not gaslighting, its just history has its been taught to me by my leftist grandpa. And I guarantee you, those events are part of Switzerland's forgotten history, simply because Bourgeois do not allow us to remember those, for once again, leftists used to stand for extraordinary concepts such as national sovereignty and workplace democracy.
- bilekas 2y ago
  That's wild, I'm aware of that one and I spent my life between Ireland and Italy, so to say it's forgotten/whitewashed is simply not true. It's obviously not how things should be done, and there was some agitation that led to the tragedy, but a massacre, it wouldn't reach that in my book. THAT would be considered a civil unrest tragedy. And it came to a resolution with changes made around the Jura. I can't say the same in China, you're right, but they're not the same.